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Oct 07, 2014 16:09 |  #1

So recently did my first shoot at a horse show-jumping event and I think I've learned a few new things along the way.

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Things I've picked up on;

1) Try not to get right in front of the jump - even if the riders head is up chances are the horses head is going to go up as well and with that and the mane most of the time the riders head will end up hidden. Instead try to position to the side a little more so that you can catch the head looking toward the next jump (seems to be the direction most look at once the horse is in full swing over the jump).

2) Riders make really strange facial expressions. Some of them very unfetching as they ride, which adds an added complication since all else might be ok with the shot.

3) A horse and rider are very tall in the frame, so portrait aspect is going to be very common unless your totally side-on to a jump or moving horse and rider.

4) I found I was shooting rather wide and that when I've been editing I've needed to crop away parts of the shot - partly as a result of the tall rider and horse aspect and trying to ensure all parts remain in the shot. Whilst its wasted frame its not too bad in my view - better to get hooves and tail and heads in than to have them clipped off.

5) 70-200mm f2.8 is a good workhorse for an indoor shoot; however 120-300mm can work as well giving a bit of a tighter frame for some shots in the 200-300mm range; but 120mm is far too long (esp on crop) to be the shortest working distance.

6) I shot most of the event at f4; which combined with the small area made for some very unfetching and busy backgrounds. Sadly even at f2.8 I suspect they'd have still been fairly busy backgrounds - not an easy thing to deal with inside (I stuck at f4 mostly to try and ensure horse and rider were as much in-focus as possible - rather than pull back to f2.8 and risk more blurred noses or faces).

7) Manual mode all the way in the mostly constant lighting inside; handheld light meter might be more use than test exposures and histogram review; but otherwise stick to a fairly staple series of settings that work. Saying that after editing I think I could have gone to f3.5- lost a bit of depth but gained that little bit of aperture for a little more brightness (I've been boosting by around 0.48 on exposure on most shots).

8) Knowing what direction riders will take on the course is easy once you've seen one or two do it - however that means the first few shots are oft a mess as you're playing catch-up and guess (small course so not too hard to guess what they were aiming for; but still one doesn't want to be running up and down trying to chase them).
Thus I think that next time I would be wise to ask and walk the course with the riders before they jump. That combined with a little quick sketch of the jumps means I can get a rough idea of the course they'll take and thus try and position myself where I can get a few good shots whilst also keeping in mind things like trying not to get them coming head on - or looking for straight side on shots.


That's what little I've picked up upon, I'd greatly welcome any input on my photos and upon the skill/method of working in such conditions that others have to give. I hopefully will get another chance this year to shoot another event so I hope I can go back with some experience and some new ideas/methods to try out and get improved results (esp as the year progresses and the light might get even worse - I was lucky that it was a bright day outside so the lighting+skylights gave enough to work with comfortably).

I've also found that with the conditions I'm not as used to working with such a noisy and high ISO shot - so any pointers on processes people use to work with these kinds of shots would be most welcome.

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Oct 10, 2014 06:21 |  #2

Not a squeak? Can I thus assume that I've achieved photographic perfection? ;)


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Oct 10, 2014 06:43 |  #3

It looks like you had some fun!

I worked as a horse show photographer about 20 years ago. Typically, i would position myself around 45 degrees from the jump. Photographing in horizontal format including the jump upright on the side for perspective and wanting the exposure taken when the horses front legs are tucked up at their highest when all 4 legs are off the ground. The riders at that time were not pleased if the horse was captured too early in the jump when the hind legs were still on the ground or too late in the jump when they are past the peak of the jump and starting down on the other side.

Keep having fun with this and you will learn how to time the shot at it's peak moment!




  
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Oct 10, 2014 06:46 |  #4

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It looks like you had some fun!

I worked as a horse show photographer about 20 years ago. Typically, i would position myself around 45 degrees from the jump. Photographing in horizontal format including the jump upright on the side for perspective and wanting the exposure taken when the horses front legs are tucked up at their highest when all 4 legs are off the ground. The riders at that time were not pleased if the horse was captured too early in the jump when the hind legs were still on the ground or too late in the jump when they are past the peak of the jump and starting down on the other side.

Keep having fun with this and you will learn how to time the shot at it's peak moment!

My daughter does this sort of riding and I agree. The riders would like to see the knees tucked at the peak of the jump. If you are taking shots where they are just walking around, the riders want to see the ears of the horse forward.

OP - Your images are good and clean and the observations you've made show that you are really thinking it through. Good for you on that!


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Oct 10, 2014 07:08 |  #5

My thanks both - good to hear that I'm heading along the right track.

Ears forward is one of the few bits I have picked up on (though of course half the time horses don't want to co-operate with that ;)). The peek of the rise with the legs tucked up is something I'll have to practice more at!


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Oct 14, 2014 01:22 |  #6

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Instead try to position to the side a little more so that you can catch the head looking toward the next jump (seems to be the direction most look at once the horse is in full swing over the jump). **snip**

This is not correct. You want to have the rider and horse looking in the direction of where they are going (spotting their landing like you have done in image 1), not having the rider eyeballing the next obstacle.
Everything Silvermesa1 has said is spot on. Ears forward for the win.




  
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Oct 14, 2014 02:53 |  #7

Thanks alpha - I see what you're saying with the angles, though that kind of throws up the question of what side of the horses neck they are going to lean over. I'm unsure if there is a riding school convention (ergo the side "everyone is taught to look over") or if its in relation to the position of the next jump or riding direction or if its almost totally random.


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Nov 08, 2014 04:37 |  #8

Hi. I'm heading out to do my first Showjumping shoot tomorrow. ( the Canberra Showjumping Cup). Will be a change from birds in flight and the macros I usually do. Thanks for the tips - I hope I can get some shots as good as yours. Cheers. Rhyno 50.




  
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Nov 08, 2014 15:39 |  #9

Glad it helped and good luck Rhyno!

If you are outside hopefully you'll get some nicer backgrounds - I've come to the conclusion that sometimes its sadly an element you can't easily control in this field (at least not without talking with the organisers more and either having them setup a nice jump specially for you - or at least being somewhat aware of your needs - or letting you out into the ring more to get more angle choices - without endangering yourself or the riders and horses of course).


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Nov 10, 2014 20:42 |  #10

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Thanks alpha - I see what you're saying with the angles, though that kind of throws up the question of what side of the horses neck they are going to lean over. I'm unsure if there is a riding school convention (ergo the side "everyone is taught to look over") or if its in relation to the position of the next jump or riding direction or if its almost totally random.

I don't think there is a way that is taught, or at least I don't remember. :D I would think the inside would be the norm. i.e. left side if you're about to turn left.




  
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Nov 12, 2014 16:29 |  #11

Work the angles....




  
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Nov 12, 2014 16:57 |  #12

The question is which angles ;)


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Nov 12, 2014 17:11 as a reply to  @ Overread's post |  #13

Here are some of them....
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Nov 12, 2014 18:28 |  #14

Thanks - looks like you had some better outdoors environments to shoot in! Though I can see the angles you're going for - side on certainly works well with horses - not something I've really tried much with this (most side on I get are full of very busy backgrounds)


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Nov 12, 2014 19:26 |  #15

Your flickr pictures are too good, great work.....keep it up....


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