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Oct 07, 2014 23:21 |  #1

Hey all, I'm new here and new to live music photography. I'm looking into a new lens or two and would like some opinions on the necessity of image stabilization.
Is it worth the rather substantial investment or is it a "nice added feature".
I'm currently shooting with a T5i and 50mm f1.8 w/ stabilization.
Any expert advice would be much appreciated.
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Oct 08, 2014 08:37 |  #2

not really, unless you are shooting at a long focal length, or if you have terribly shaky hands.

but for static (ie, seated folksinger types) performers, it can be helpful.


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Oct 08, 2014 08:49 |  #3

The longer the lens, the greater necessity for IS. The rule of thumb for handhoding without IS is 1/focal x1.6. So you can safely handhold a 50 at 1/80 of a second without motion blur. But as you can see it becomes an issue as you use longer lenses. A 200 mm lens would be 1/320 to prevent camera shake. As mentioned above if you are shooting at faster shutter speeds to freeze subject motion then IS may not be a factor. What brand is your 50 1.8 IS?




  
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Oct 08, 2014 11:09 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #4

My 50mm is a Canon.
So on a 28-75mm f2.8 IS would not be needed to capture concert photography,
and a 70-200 f2.8 IS would be needed if I understand?




  
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Oct 08, 2014 11:19 |  #5

stratoholic wrote in post #17201504 (external link)
My 50mm is a Canon.
So on a 28-75mm f2.8 IS would not be needed to capture concert photography,
and a 70-200 f2.8 IS would be needed if I understand?

Canon doesnt make an IS 50. IS is almost always useful, but yes I would agree with that line of thinking.




  
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Oct 08, 2014 11:24 |  #6

stratoholic wrote in post #17201504 (external link)
My 50mm is a Canon.
So on a 28-75mm f2.8 IS would not be needed to capture concert photography,
and a 70-200 f2.8 IS would be needed if I understand?

What's your normal shutter speed range? Live music as in a piano soloist is pretty different from catching David Lee Roth in a mid-air split. If it's normally over 320 anyway then IS won't help much even at 200mm.


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Oct 08, 2014 11:59 |  #7

stratoholic wrote in post #17200632 (external link)
Hey all, I'm new here and new to live music photography. I'm looking into a new lens or two and would like some opinions on the necessity of image stabilization.
Is it worth the rather substantial investment or is it a "nice added feature".
I'm currently shooting with a T5i and 50mm f1.8 w/ stabilization.
Any expert advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks!

As mentioned, the need for lens stabilization can, fairly or unfairly, depend on physical skills, lighting, framing and camera settings.

These sample images from stage presentations all used a non-stabilized 70-200mm lens set at 200mm. They demonstrate that, with experience and a steady hand, stabilization is not needed.

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/01122014b/20111119a0086_zpsec2f2194.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 70-200mm
Image Date: 2011-11-19 11:18:02 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 200.0mm
Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Time: 0.0050 s (1/200)
ISO equiv: 3200
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/01122014b/20111119a0017_zps71c042bc.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 70-200mm
Image Date: 2011-11-19 15:38:40 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 200.0mm
Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/01122014b/20111119a0103_zps2198b6ce.jpg

Camera Maker: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 60D
Lens: 70-200mm
Image Date: 2011-11-19 10:54:38 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 200.0mm
Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 3200
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

Camera settings to accommodate available lighting allowed a fairly high shutter speed that eased the creation of these long-distance images without flash or stabilization.

However, be aware that even the best image stabilization can not prevent motion blur from trying to capture moving subjects at a slow shutter speed. This is an acknowledged limit of stabilization systems.



  
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Oct 08, 2014 12:12 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #8

I have shaky hands that no amount of proper technique will compensate for. I'll take stabilization on any length lens. I'd have it on my drinking glasses if I could.

Even if you have no similar issues, better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Of course your budget must come into play as well.


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Oct 08, 2014 12:31 |  #9

I'm shooting live bands in unfriendly lighting conditions. So, more DLR jumping than classical guitar player not moving.
Budget is the issue with my dilemma. Of course I would take IS if the price were right, but non IS is mo betta on the fragile wallet!




  
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Oct 08, 2014 12:35 |  #10

stratoholic wrote in post #17201666 (external link)
I'm shooting live bands in unfriendly lighting conditions. So, more DLR jumping than classical guitar player not moving.
Budget is the issue with my dilemma. Of course I would take IS if the price were right, but non IS is mo betta on the fragile wallet!

So you likely already need high shutter speed. In the case where you can afford great optics with no IS or lower quality optics with IS, I would* go for no IS.

(And have so perhaps my opinion has some confirmation bias in it. Case in point I use my 70-200 to shoot sports, I have to have at least 1/500 so stabalization really doesn't come into it. But since I have to have the faster shutter I often need more light. So for me the 2.8 was a better fit than the f4IS.)


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