CR2 rumor for 1dx replacement to have multilayer foveon sensor!

http://www.canonrumors​.com …re-coming-from-canon-cr2/

some more info:

http://petapixel.com …ive-layers-instead-three/

This actually sounds plausible.

Hmmm, I'm sceptical.

The only other incarnation of a "Foveon type" sensor is implemented by Sigma and while it's renowned by its jaw dropping colors, its nonexistent high ISO performance and terrible refresh rate are major negatives.

Do you expect me to believe that Canon will introduce such a machine as its update for their machine gun high-ISO sports photog weapon?

If they can pull it off, I'll tip my hat to them...

andrikos wrote in post #17202950
Hmmm, I'm sceptical.

The only other incarnation of a "Foveon type" sensor is implemented by Sigma and while it's renowned by its jaw dropping colors, its nonexistent high ISO performance and terrible refresh rate are major negatives.

Do you expect me to believe that Canon will introduce such a machine as its update for their machine gun high-ISO sports photog weapon?

If they can pull it off, I'll tip my hat to them...

Well by reading the articles the Sigma sensor is only a 3 layer while the Canon patent is a 5 layer with specific statments to "Increase sensitivity"

If anyone can take the Foveon technology and advance it for higher ISO then it's Canon.

I also don't believe that this is a 1Dx replacement but maybe a 1DxS

Talley wrote in post #17202976
Well by reading the articles the Sigma sensor is only a 3 layer while the Canon patent is a 5 layer with specific statments to "Increase sensitivity"

If anyone can take the Foveon technology and advance it for higher ISO then it's Canon.

I also don't believe that this is a 1Dx replacement but maybe a 1DxS

The extra 2 layers will give us a richer color palette especially in the near red and far violet spectrum.

Whether it will increase the actual total sensitivity of the sensor remains to be seen, but the current Sigma foveon sensor's picture quality is currently acceptable up to maybe ISO800 which is simply unacceptable in this day and age. Anything over ISO800 must be converted to B/W in order to be acceptable.

Again, if Canon can show they are able to beat this type of performance by at least an order of magnitude with their 5-layer sensor, i'll be the first in line to order one. The colors from such a sensor (3-layer foveon) are simply breathtaking.

andrikos wrote in post #17202950
Hmmm, I'm sceptical.

The only other incarnation of a "Foveon type" sensor is implemented by Sigma and while it's renowned by its jaw dropping colors, its nonexistent high ISO performance and terrible refresh rate are major negatives.

Do you expect me to believe that Canon will introduce such a machine as its update for their machine gun high-ISO sports photog weapon?

If they can pull it off, I'll tip my hat to them...

Up until the X, Canon has always had two tiers of bodies, A machine gun high-ISO sports shooter and a high res, low ISO IQ machine. Canon has totally ignored the second type of photographer so maybe it's time they address this segment as well. My fingers are crossed. The 5DIV might actually be a camera I would want to upgrade to.

gjl711 wrote in post #17203139
Up until the X, Canon has always had two tiers of bodies, A machine gun high-ISO sports shooter and a high res, low ISO IQ machine. Canon has totally ignored the second type of photographer so maybe it's time they address this segment as well. My fingers are crossed. The 5DIV might actually be a camera I would want to upgrade to.

Well, the title was "1Dx replacement" so that's what I was going with.

Whether we'll see another 1D landscape oriented camera or whether it'll be the next 5D, that remains to be seen.

I don't think landscape photogs are itching to buy a 1D type body at $6k-$8k...

andrikos wrote in post #17203288
Well, the title was "1Dx replacement" so that's what I was going with.

Whether we'll see another 1D landscape oriented camera or whether it'll be the next 5D, that remains to be seen.

I don't think landscape photogs are itching to buy a 1D type body at $6k-$8k...

Maybe not, but if this new sensor is coming to a 1D level camera, an updated 5D can't be far behind.

andrikos wrote in post #17203129
The extra 2 layers will give us a richer color palette especially in the near red and far violet spectrum.

Whether it will increase the actual total sensitivity of the sensor remains to be seen, but the current Sigma foveon sensor's picture quality is currently acceptable up to maybe ISO800 which is simply unacceptable in this day and age. Anything over ISO800 must be converted to B/W in order to be acceptable.

Again, if Canon can show they are able to beat this type of performance by at least an order of magnitude with their 5-layer sensor, i'll be the first in line to order one. The colors from such a sensor (3-layer foveon) are simply breathtaking.

The understanding I have is the sensitivity is below the layers in a built into the sensor

Just saw this thread. Looks like someone is coming up with a 32 layer Foveon type sensor.
https://photography-on-the.net …=1401577&highli​ght=foveon

andrikos wrote in post #17203129
The extra 2 layers will give us a richer color palette especially in the near red and far violet spectrum.

Whether it will increase the actual total sensitivity of the sensor remains to be seen, but the current Sigma foveon sensor's picture quality is currently acceptable up to maybe ISO800 which is simply unacceptable in this day and age. Anything over ISO800 must be converted to B/W in order to be acceptable.

Again, if Canon can show they are able to beat this type of performance by at least an order of magnitude with their 5-layer sensor, i'll be the first in line to order one. The colors from such a sensor (3-layer foveon) are simply breathtaking.

I seriously doubt Canon would release anything that is a step backwards in ISO performance, especially in this day and age when you can get very clean shots from a Sony A7S up to something stupid like iso 51,200+. But then again, they put a countdown timer on a f*cking ad campaign so what do i know?

"see the Impossible"

Check out the B&H review of the 7DII and imagine that camera with hall those features cobined with this sensor..

The more I read about these multi-layer sensors, the less impressed I am.

So the big strength seems to be they provide better color. But I've never really had a complaint with the colors on modern sensors. I suppose if I was a product photographer it might be important.

There seem to be a lot of downsides, though, including poor DR and poor high ISO performance. I've read that Canon is working on those issues, but I'm skeptical.

I doubt it.