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Oct 09, 2014 07:59 |  #1

To optimize it I used: Lightroom 4 for cropping and correcting the white balance. Photoshop Elements 10 for removing distracting objects (a lamp post, a fence, a billboard and a bird that looked like a smudge in the sky) Nik Colour Efex Pro 4 for tonal contrast. Lightroom 5 to correct lens distortion and make sure both tower and pillars were straight.

Is it still a photograph or is it now a computer facsimile of what you saw.


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Oct 09, 2014 08:06 |  #2

It's no longer a documentary or journalistic shot. There's a long continuum between these and a highly manipulated fine art image. I don't think anyone can tell you where the line is drawn between photograph and art piece. I don't know what a computer facsimile is. Did you just make that up?


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Oct 09, 2014 08:11 |  #3

My personal opinion is that cropping, adjusting white balance, curves, etc are still part of photography, but that adding or removing elements in the image move it from the realm of photography to art.


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Oct 09, 2014 08:15 |  #4

does it matter?


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Oct 09, 2014 08:16 |  #5

mike_311 wrote in post #17203207 (external link)
does it matter?

Only if you're submitting it to some contest/publisher/etc that has rules about it. If it's just to hang on your own wall, then no.


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Oct 09, 2014 08:17 |  #6

archer1960 wrote in post #17203199 (external link)
...move it from the realm of photography to art.

Photography itself isn't art?


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Oct 09, 2014 08:19 |  #7

archer1960 wrote in post #17203199 (external link)
My personal opinion is that cropping, adjusting white balance, curves, etc are still part of photography, but that adding or removing elements in the image move it from the realm of photography to art.

And my personal opinion differs. I would say that this kind of editing definitely moves it out of the category of photojournalism, but it is still photography.

Also, Does it matter? If you aren't a photojournalist then why do you care where the line between photography and digital art is?


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Oct 09, 2014 08:21 |  #8

Bosscat wrote in post #17203189 (external link)
To optimize it I used: Lightroom 4 for cropping and correcting the white balance. Photoshop Elements 10 for removing distracting objects (a lamp post, a fence, a billboard and a bird that looked like a smudge in the sky) Nik Colour Efex Pro 4 for tonal contrast. Lightroom 5 to correct lens distortion and make sure both tower and pillars were straight.

Is it still a photograph or is it now a computer facsimile of what you saw.


Discuss

The long-used phrase is "photo illustration. (external link)" Nothing new here.




  
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Oct 09, 2014 08:22 |  #9

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Oct 09, 2014 08:22 |  #10

Luckless wrote in post #17203213 (external link)
Photography itself isn't art?

IMO, not necessarily. It overlaps with art, but not all photography is art. JMPO...


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Oct 09, 2014 08:28 |  #11

Luckless wrote in post #17203213 (external link)
Photography itself isn't art?

no. art is something you create with the intention to express something.

photography can be used to create art, but all photography isn't art, sometimes its just used to document.


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Oct 09, 2014 08:35 |  #12

Was manipulated picture the crapshot at beginning? If so, here is nothing to "Discuss".
If not... either.


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Oct 09, 2014 08:38 |  #13

This horse has been beaten for years. There is no clear answer. It is a personal decision. The only time it really matters is as mentioned, you are entering a contest with strict rules or you are submitting the image for publication where they have strict rules as to what manipulation is allowed. Everything else is gray.


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Oct 09, 2014 09:15 |  #14

I am color blind. My own body messes with hue and saturation. Does that mean what I see isn't real?


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Oct 09, 2014 09:34 |  #15

mike_311 wrote in post #17203241 (external link)
no. art is something you create with the intention to express something.

photography can be used to create art, but all photography isn't art, sometimes its just used to document.

So painting isn't art, because some people use it to just cover up the walls so they don't look so uneven or unfinished?

The original statement I quoted was that photography becomes art when you edit it, and suggests that photography that is done in camera with only 'standard' processing and no excessive manipulation is never art.


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