Sony (overall company)

idkdc wrote in post #17258180
Lol, b-b-but they said they are still fully committed to A-mount!

Yeeeh, A7R's aren't A-Mounts

Lets not forget who Sony are, they're a massive company with divisions that still make money, plus have a lot of money in the bank (recently bought a $644 million stake in Olympus). They're going through a transition period of selling off branches that aren't profitable or never will be (you can never compete against cheap TV's from China). This isn't some hollow American company like Enron, or trade on toxic stock like Lehman Brothers (I suppose you could throw the whole American banking sector in there aswell), or unable to change with the times and need a Government handout like GM, they'll be here for a long time and will be profitable as a company again - probably soon.

And the guys that think Sony will sell their image division to Canon must have rocks in their heads, IF, and that's a big "IF" they did sell it, Nikon would have first preference as they use their sensors, then probably Pentax as they do the same, if neither of them want it I'm sure Samsung would snap it up in a heartbeat, even Apple would probably look at it (as every IPhone camera is a Sony). Canon would be WAAAAAY down the list, so they'd still be in the same boat as they are now.

No way Canon would ever use a Sony sensor now with the release of the ground breaking 7DII. Imagine how confident Canon was in that sensor to be using it or a variation of it in the crop bodies for the next 5+ years. It all pretty much signals the end for the Sony/Pentax/Nikon companies.

Sarcasm, for those of you that have trouble reading it.

Well, big company syndrome is a problem sometimes. I jest about their commitment to A mount, which may or may not foreshadow their commitment to FE in the future. What I said was intended in humor on my part though. If you're going to address what others said, quote them each instead of just me, or at least do a general reply without quoting me.

I was wondering what you were on for a second there!

I know this is a rumour and it will probably stay a rumour, but it's the first time I've seen someone write about it.

New Canon to use Sony FF sensor

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I should correct myself, it was half in jest. I'm not entirely agreeing with anyone here.

Speaking of Sony, they finally have (a watered down) an Xperia on Verizon. I'll going to be all over that phone!

I strongly believe the major problem Sony currently has is "Marketing".

- I loved my A55 from day one that at introduction was light years ahead of its competitors.
- Till this date, I still believe my Sony Action cams are by far better in terms of image quality, color saturation and night function, also shack reduction compare to any other brand, including the pioneer giant GoPro (That I still am a big fan/user of that product too).
- The sharpest camera on earth, Nikon D800E and its followers all have Sony Sensors inside.
This is about photography sector and I didn't go over other sectors say TVs that probably they lost the ball to Samsung, Game modules that has tough competition, Communication of film production.

All Sony needs to do is either to steal some of Canon's Marketers or find some really motivated, energetic ones and they should find the old glory shine once more, because they have the Right Stuff, they only Don't know how to market and sell. At least in Photography division they seriously should try to part with a good percentage of Professionals in industry at any cost (Not really difficult to achieve if they knew what to do) and make the name stand to what actually products are, in respect to others.

I agree with everything you said. I talked with a Sony rep though, and he told me they had no intention of creating a Professional Service like NPS or CPS and that their main target market were "enthusiasts because that group is the biggest.". He didn't see professional support as a big deal, which is a mistake in marketing IMO.

samsen wrote in post #17259394
I strongly believe the major problem Sony currently has is "Marketing".

- I loved my A55 from day one that at introduction was light years ahead of its competitors.
- Till this date, I still believe my Sony Action cams are by far better in terms of image quality, color saturation and night function, also shack reduction compare to any other brand, including the pioneer giant GoPro (That I still am a big fan/user of that product too).
- The sharpest camera on earth, Nikon D800E and its followers all have Sony Sensors inside.
This is about photography sector and I didn't go over other sectors say TVs that probably they lost the ball to Samsung, Game modules that has tough competition, Communication of film production.

All Sony needs to do is either to steal some of Canon's Marketers or find some really motivated, energetic ones and they should find the old glory shine once more, because they have the Right Stuff, they only Don't know how to market and sell. At least in Photography division they seriously should try to part with a good percentage of Professionals in industry at any cost (Not really difficult to achieve if they knew what to do) and make the name stand to what actually products are, in respect to others.

CRCchemist wrote in post #17258088
All the photographers who bought Sony A7R cameras are going to feel like idiots when Sony kills support and further development of that system.

Only if they bought Sony lenses too.

Many of us are just using it as a digital back, putting Canon/Nikon/Zeiss/Sigm​a/other lenses in front of it. Even if they killed off the system, we'd just move to the next manufacturer to put a top-end sensor in a body that can take Canon lenses via an adapter... until Canon releases a sensor that can compete with everyone else below ISO 3200.

Shadowblade wrote in post #17260667
Only if they bought Sony lenses too.

Many of us are just using it as a digital back, putting Canon/Nikon/Zeiss/Sigm​a/other lenses in front of it. Even if they killed off the system, we'd just move to the next manufacturer to put a top-end sensor in a body that can take Canon lenses via an adapter... until Canon releases a sensor that can compete with everyone else below ISO 3200.

The one thing I did like on the a7's was the instant magnification on turning the manual focus ring. I wonder how does mf-ing with an adapted lens work? Do you manually engage the magnification? Always thought the biggest draw to get one of the a7's was to adapt M-mount lenses for their size.

Yes, I manually engage focus magnification with mine. double press of a button. Not as quick as auto focus but for static stuff, more accurate than phase detect

I had a small play with some of their devices, and they are great, but all of them have some flaws.

Xperia smartphones are bending (Z1), have horrid cameras and lots of software and hardware flaws, their consumer cameras are pretty dissapointing as well - i had AX100 and several ActionCams - they were all laggy and overpriced, and the mirrorless cameras - laggy, loud, noisy (A7 mostly), with rather poor batteries (several hunded photos or 30 minutes of video), all of their lenses have really poor manual focus systems, making it unusuable for videos.

They have good ideas, for sure, but what's lacking is attention to detail. I have photographed with A7 for about half a year, sold it and strongly regret buying it. Even after that time i had still trust issues. Battery, lags, ergonomics, so much worse than my Canons, and making that kind of sacrifaces olny for tad smaller weight (A7 with 24-70 zeiss is not so much lighter than 6D + 24-105) and image IQ - A7S and A7R may be impressive, but normal A7 was quite dissapointing.

Besides, all of their products had problems with colors, mainly skintones. Canon does better. Fuji does better. Leica, Olympus, even iPhones does the job better.

For anyone who doubts quality of Sony, have a look here:

LINK

Sony item sold 5-6 times higher under a new skin!!!

samsen wrote in post #17275977
For anyone who doubts quality of Sony, have a look here:

LINK

Sony item sold 5-6 times higher under a new skin!!!

No, I don't doubt Sony's quality. But they pissed me off when they tried to secretly install software on computers when people inserted music CDs back in 2003. I'll never buy Sony again.

samsen wrote in post #17275977
For anyone who doubts quality of Sony, have a look here:

LINK

another camera manufacturer going bankrupt ? (besides Sony)