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Nov 05, 2014 18:57 |  #1

Hi guys, need some guidance.

Had a 6D & 7D, which I thought complemented each other well. But had to sell the 6D in order to finance a car. I was expecting the 17-40mm lens would satisfy my wide angle needs, but I realize that 17mm on a crop isn't enough for my recent shooting (architectural, land/cityscape, and large group portraits) without having to really back up.

I was debating on whether to

1. find a nice UWA lens (I will likely sell my beloved 17-40 bc I wouldn't have a use for it).
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2. get a used FF body (I may sell my 7D to fund this) to use with my current glass. Maybe a 5D2 bc I like the clickwheel and joystick that's also on the 7D, but not on the 6D.

Any useful info I should consider would be appreciated.


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Nov 05, 2014 19:31 |  #2

Heya,

It used to be full frame that had the ultrawide arena. But these days there are wonderful ultrawide options for APS-C.

Canon EF-S 10-22
Canon EF-S 10-18
Sigma 8-16
Sigma 10-22
Tokina 11-16 F2.8

Anything around 10~11mm on the wide end will mimic 17mm on full frame in terms of field of view. So all of those lenses do what you're after.

Alternatively, if you do a lot of landscape, city, arch, people, a full frame makes a lot of sense for you. If you can use the 17-40 F4L still with your full frame and not need any new lenses, selling your 7D could net you around $600, and you can get a 5D2 used for about $1100 prettye easily, for a $500 change up, getting wide and keeping your 17-40. If you go this route, your future would be set for using a tilt shift lens, which would be the ideal lens for what you shoot mostly.

Otherwise, one of the above lenses gives you the field of view, for $500 or less.

So it goes either way.

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Nov 05, 2014 19:43 |  #3

Thanks. I'm more attached to my glass than the body so I don't mind swapping out bodies. I may even opt for the 5DC just so I can keep the 7D, which has been awesome in shooting portraits of my little 8 month old.

Any of those UWA lenses can be tack sharp in case I decide to stay crop?


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Nov 05, 2014 19:48 |  #4

Try the 17-40 on a full frame body, it becomes a different lens




  
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Nov 05, 2014 19:48 |  #5

p00kienrayray wrote in post #17254630 (external link)
Hi guys, need some guidance.

Had a 6D & 7D, which I thought complemented each other well. But had to sell the 6D in order to finance a car. I was expecting the 17-40mm lens would satisfy my wide angle needs, but I realize that 17mm on a crop isn't enough for my recent shooting (architectural, land/cityscape, and large group portraits) without having to really back up.

I was debating on whether to

1. find a nice UWA lens (I will likely sell my beloved 17-40 bc I wouldn't have a use for it).
or
2. get a used FF body (I may sell my 7D to fund this) to use with my current glass. Maybe a 5D2 bc I like the clickwheel and joystick that's also on the 7D, but not on the 6D.

Any useful info I should consider would be appreciated.


Your 24-105L, 17-40L, and 50mm lenses are all much more suitable for full frame than they ever were for APS-C. Unless you need the AF or speed of a 7D, I recommend you ditch your 7D and switch to a full frame camera to match your lenses.

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Nov 05, 2014 19:48 |  #6

p00kienrayray wrote in post #17254711 (external link)
Thanks. I'm more attached to my glass than the body so I don't mind swapping out bodies. I may even opt for the 5DC just so I can keep the 7D, which has been awesome in shooting portraits of my little 8 month old.

Any of those UWA lenses can be tack sharp in case I decide to stay crop?

Heya,

They're all sharp. The 10-18 is pretty sharp, and is cheap. The 10-22 is slightly better and is literally an L lens in terms of quality, with the same field of view as the 17-40L. Just in EF-S.

5D is a wonderful camera. But really, if you're moving to a full frame just to use the 17-40, I don't think you'll see a real benefit using the 5D over using a modern APS-C for this purpose.

I'm kind of confused how you need a 7D to shoot portraits of an 8 month old. But whatever floats your boat. I wouldn't keep a 7D just for that. Beyond overkill.

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Nov 05, 2014 20:02 |  #7

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Heya,

They're all sharp. The 10-18 is pretty sharp, and is cheap. The 10-22 is slightly better and is literally an L lens in terms of quality, with the same field of view as the 17-40L. Just in EF-S.

5D is a wonderful camera. But really, if you're moving to a full frame just to use the 17-40, I don't think you'll see a real benefit using the 5D over using a modern APS-C for this purpose.

I'm kind of confused how you need a 7D to shoot portraits of an 8 month old. But whatever floats your boat. I wouldn't keep a 7D just for that. Beyond overkill.

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I don't need the 7D to shoot the baby (that came off weird), but have just been happy with it, and figure as my kid grows, the AF points and speed would be a benefit?


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Nov 05, 2014 20:04 |  #8

New lens would be cheaper than new body; I'd just nab a 10-22 or the Tokina 11-16 and call it done.


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Nov 05, 2014 20:05 as a reply to  @ p00kienrayray's post |  #9

gonzogolf wrote in post #17254729 (external link)
Try the 17-40 on a full frame body, it becomes a different lens

Care to elaborate?

stargazer78 wrote in post #17254730 (external link)
Your 24-105L, 17-40L, and 50mm lenses are all much more suitable for full frame than they ever were for APS-C. Unless you need the AF or speed of a 7D, I recommend you ditch your 7D and switch to a full frame camera to match your lenses.

Bodies come and go, but lenses should be kept forever.

I'm actually thinking about ditching the 24-105 bc its so heavy and I hardly use it. Never got to use it much on a FF, so don't know if I'll need it.


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Nov 05, 2014 20:08 |  #10

If you're looking for a Tokina 11-16, Id like to say its a great lens and I've used it on my Rebel with great results. However I'm also selling mine on the marketplace, its in great shape. ;)


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Nov 05, 2014 20:09 |  #11

Snydremark wrote in post #17254787 (external link)
New lens would be cheaper than new body; I'd just nab a 10-22 or the Tokina 11-16 and call it done.

True its still a possibility. but price isn't much of a factor if I unload my 7D. I've got some thinking to do.


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Nov 05, 2014 20:12 |  #12

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If you're looking for a Tokina 11-16, Id like to say its a great lens and I've used it on my Rebel with great results. However I'm also selling mine on the marketplace, its in great shape. ;)

I see, if I decide to stay crop, I'll let you know. I see in your ad, you would trade for a 17-40 eh?


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Nov 05, 2014 20:13 |  #13

p00kienrayray wrote in post #17254776 (external link)
I don't need the 7D to shoot the baby (that came off weird), but have just been happy with it, and figure as my kid grows, the AF points and speed would be a benefit?

Sure, it can be useful. I just think you'll find the AF system of the 7D to be vast overkill for shooting kids. I wouldn't hang on to it just for that if it's not doing most of your leg work anyways as your primary camera. As your kid(s) get older, that big camera becomes more and more of an issue... you will have full hands. And as they get bigger, that camera gets older and older. For shooting kids and family, having a camera with the best ISO performance (or just always using a flash) is more important than a robust AF system (especially in the dark).

If you love the 7D, keep it. But don't let the AF system make you think you need it and only it. You can shoot kids and action without a 7D. It just seems like the wrong camera for what you do. You could get something with better ISO performance, and better tones/color/sharpness such as a full frame (5D2, 6D).

p00kienrayray wrote in post #17254790 (external link)
Care to elaborate?

I'm actually thinking about ditching the 24-105 bc its so heavy and I hardly use it. Never got to use it much on a FF, so don't know if I'll need it.

The field of view on full frame is different of course. Beyond that, you already knew it on full frame as you mentioned, so you know you like the 17-40L already. It just comes down to getting a full frame to use it in that field of view, or switching to a different lens to get a similar field of view on APS-C with you 7D (the EF-S 10-22 does this).

I do not recommend the Tokina over the EF-S 10-22 for day time landscape, arch, city. The Tokina flares big time. I personally shoot with the Tokina 11-16 F2.8 II myself. Very sharp lens. I shoot it because I want that F2.8 for my wide field astro at night. But the flare during the day is something to seriously, seriously consider. I put a multi-coated filter on my Tokina in day light to help calm the flare, it helps. Don't get this lens unless you fully are aware of the flaring. Again, I love my Tokina. I shoot it primary as my ultrawide. But I don't recommend it for a pure day time shooter.

Here's examples of the Tokina (with and without a multi-coated filter):

No filter (so flaring is as it is):

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And here's the same lens, with my Marumi mulit-coated filter to help with flare:

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To say the least, these days, I shoot with the filter on my lens during the day to help with flare. Otherwise, I'd never use this lens in the day light. That said, I love it. Sharp! Fast. Build like a tank. And when there's no day light, it's one of the better night sky lenses out there for APS-C. Also, since it's third party, it's EF mount, not EF-S. So it fits on my 5D and has no vignette at 16mm, so I have a 16mm F2.8 lens for full frame that is sharp wide open when I want. It vignettes big time at less than 16mm.

Just FYI. Again, know what you're getting into.

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Nov 05, 2014 20:16 |  #14

p00kienrayray wrote in post #17254711 (external link)
Thanks. I'm more attached to my glass than the body so I don't mind swapping out bodies. I may even opt for the 5DC just so I can keep the 7D, which has been awesome in shooting portraits of my little 8 month old.

Any of those UWA lenses can be tack sharp in case I decide to stay crop?

There is a TSE 24mm mk 1 in the for sale section for 850.00 $

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Nov 05, 2014 20:44 |  #15

10-22 love, love, love this thing on my 7d.

Sharp? Yes
Iq? Awesome.


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