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Nov 07, 2014 10:32 |  #1

I like using Chrome as a browser but find it frustrating that I can't find a way to properly display untagged images. A good example is on this forum where many people post images to show off or critique that are untagged and they look terrible in Chrome (horribly over-saturated) but excellent in FF (but only after changing the hidden setting in FF to properly color manage untagged images).

Is there any recent trick or extension available for Chrome that enables proper handling of untagged images or is the only choice to switch to FF whenever on sites like POTN? Safari has the same limitation as Chrome, so that's not a choice, and IE is still awful.


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Nov 07, 2014 11:19 |  #2

It sounds like you have a wide-gamut monitor.

I don't think there is much you can do right now except use FireFox.

Here is a link to the bug report for Chromium that you might find interesting. I think it gives some insight into the situation.
http://code.google.com …um/issues/detai​l?id=37028 (external link)

I think there are a few problems/situations that slow the possibility of a "fix" from the Chrome team:

* Google isn't much into switches and mass configurability to its software. The Google strategy is more to create a slick, standard interface and not complicate things.

* In the past, there has been some controversy regarding whether assuming sRGB for untagged images is the way to go. I don't believe that there is any color-managed browser yet that applies color management to non-image graphical elements. That means that if a web developer wants an image to match color with non-image graphical elements on the page, the only way for them to do that is with untagged images. When the browser assumes sRGB for the images, that can make image and non-image colors to no longer match or mix in the same way. That is probably a minor deal for you and me but it can drive web designers and marketing departments nuts.

There may be hope, however. Apple finally made Safari on the Mac assume sRGB for untagged images (I believe that the latest version of Safari for Windows still does not). That surprised me given how much Apple caters to the web development community but maybe that move will help convince Google to do something similar.

* Color management, in general, takes a back seat for these browser development teams. Serious photographers make up a relatively small portion of the user base as a whole and the wide-gamut monitor owner segment is smaller yet. Bug fixes and new features that impact the bulk of the user base are going to get more attention and priority. That may change as wide-gamut monitors become more prominent.

Color management functionality also seems to always cause some amount of performance penalty in the browser. Since browser makers get mileage out of being able to say their browser is the fastest, this is another reason that color management tends to get sent to the back burner. I think all we can do is try to make our voices heard and let them know that browsers are fast enough now that speed can be moved down the priority list to favor other features like color management.

Another factor that I think MAY play a role is general ignorance on browser development teams with respect to color management. It is kind of a specialty knowledge area and one that requires a certain amount of study and experience. It is also an area that can get kind of complicated. It has a rather nasty mix of physics, biology (how humans perceive the physics), and software implementation. Because of that mix, compromises often have to be made and those compromises involve subjective decisions (satisfy all the people some of the time or some of the people all the time?).




  
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Nov 09, 2014 00:14 |  #3

Thanks for the excellent response. This issue has been around for so long now for anyone with a wide gamut monitor that I guess I was hoping Chrome may finally have a work-around. Until this get sorted on all browsers I suppose the only (near) bullet-proof approach would be for a site like this to reject any image uploads when the images are untagged. I know that would be a bit much to ask for though :) But I bet there's a lot of folks that post that have no idea how horrible their images look to someone using Chrome with a wide gamut monitor, and even more using Chrome not understanding the issue.

Interesting about Safari, although given a choice between Safari and FF on a windows machine I'll still pick FF since Safari has been buggy with Win 8.1. Chrome is a much better browser than either Safari or FF so I really hope one day they'll get around to fixing this.


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Nov 09, 2014 09:15 |  #4

Bob_A wrote in post #17260397 (external link)
Chrome is a much better browser than either Safari or FF so I really hope one day they'll get around to fixing this.

Just curious - what do you find better about Chrome compared to FF?

I use both but FF is my main browser - I guess partly because I have a special Google search toolbar that I use there (and doesn't work in Chrome) and also because of the color management.

I use Chrome mainly because we use Google Apps/Docs at work and it works better with those apps.




  
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Nov 09, 2014 14:03 |  #5

Eyeball2 wrote in post #17260878 (external link)
Just curious - what do you find better about Chrome compared to FF?

I use both but FF is my main browser - I guess partly because I have a special Google search toolbar that I use there (and doesn't work in Chrome) and also because of the color management.

I use Chrome mainly because we use Google Apps/Docs at work and it works better with those apps.

I do some web app programming as a hobby and use the Chrome debugger quite a bit. Web apps don't run well, and sometimes not at all, in FF yet (I believe only Chrome and Safari support WebKit). The Safari debugger is about the same as Chrome's, but Chrome runs better in Win 8.1 (Safari freezes on occasion).

Not sure if you've been building apps, but here's some links to two of the engineering web apps I've built. Nothing great, but lots of fun as a hobby. :)

http://members.shaw.ca​/rb_anderson/PumpCalc/ (external link)
http://members.shaw.ca​/rb_anderson/SteamProp​s/ (external link)


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Nov 09, 2014 16:02 |  #6

Eyeball2 wrote in post #17260878 (external link)
Just curious - what do you find better about Chrome compared to FF?

I use both but FF is my main browser - I guess partly because I have a special Google search toolbar that I use there (and doesn't work in Chrome) and also because of the color management.

I use Chrome mainly because we use Google Apps/Docs at work and it works better with those apps.

I switched to Chrome a few years ago after I downloaded FireFox 3.0 which kept freezing up.


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