7D Mark II - Focus Discussions

bidkev wrote in post #17791259
Yup! Mine does since the firmware update. It was fine before and had me gobsmacked when I shifted to the mklll from kenko. Now I'm wondering what's changed? Ali I've doine since those straight out of the box pearls is update firmware and MFA. I guess I should have left well alone. I can't reproduce the original quality at all. These were my first shots with the triple combo straight out of the box with firmware 1.2

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/uaFT​2c Helmeted Guineafowl by Kevin Dickinson, on Flickr

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So, now you are not as good as the 1.4x iii 1.0.2 and Which Firmware version now?

bidkev wrote in post #17791244
Thanks for all the wishes folks. I'm back now and in the surgeons own words, "as strong as an ox"

My previous quad by-pass and this aortic aneurysm fix were both discovered by chance as I had no symptoms from either. That's a 2nd and 3rd chance I've been given at life so I aim to make the most of it. It's not how long you live but how you live that matters. But...............The Beast, as I call it, will have to wait a while and be confined to the back yard and a monopod until such time as I am checked for an endoleak in 6 weeks...............so​...............none of this

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bloody great to see you back and on the mend again kevin - and yea maybe someone is smiling on you so go buy a lotto ticket (and mate i would love a 1dx and a 200 - 400 / 1.4x thanks :lol - take it easy hey and maybe slowly does it for awhile - no prizes for rushing a recovery

see yu rob

gschlact wrote in post #17791263
So, now you are not as good as the 1.4x iii 1.0.2 and Which Firmware version now?

1.0.5 from 1.0.2

So you reverted your Aorta to 1.04? Wait? What?

Glad to hear your ticker is running better firmware. It's good to have you posting!
Take it easy and don't let threads like this stress your condition!

Good news Kev!

bidkev wrote in post #17791244
Thanks for all the wishes folks. I'm back now and in the surgeons own words, "as strong as an ox"

My previous quad by-pass and this aortic aneurysm fix were both discovered by chance as I had no symptoms from either. That's a 2nd and 3rd chance I've been given at life so I aim to make the most of it. It's not how long you live but how you live that matters. But...............The Beast, as I call it, will have to wait a while and be confined to the back yard and a monopod until such time as I am checked for an endoleak in 6 weeks...............so​...............none of this

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Glad it went well - welcome back!

Kevin has to stick to wide angle for a while with his lifting limits
Maybe someone has an old Brownie camera they can loan him?

Sure am glad you got the ticker fixed up as we need you here
I am always looking for some weird interesting critter pics from you.
Pete - with ticker issues too

Ok - gotcha on the SS vs. Length. They were 50% views in DPP. The bird was about 8-10 ft (gs - you're good with the math) How do I post a raw file- put in dropbox and give you link?
Here's another
Actual with spot focus point and info, the 50% view

Glad to see you back and all went well Kev! 6 weeks isn't that long and then you'll be kicking butt again. Hang in there!

bidkev wrote in post #17791284
1.0.5 from 1.0.2

Maybe save some stress, go one step at a time. Maybe try 1.04 and see how the TC works? Hopefully more similar to 1.02 than 1.05.

8612images wrote in post #17791564
Ok - gotcha on the SS vs. Length. They were 50% views in DPP. The bird was about 8-10 ft (gs - you're good with the math) How do I post a raw file- put in dropbox and give you link?
Here's another
Actual with spot focus point and info, the 50% view

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Steve,
BTW, with the following, I am not trying to defend the camera, I am attempting to give you increased confidence in a conclusion we find.

This example has me worried. Even in M RAW if the bird is about 3in tall, you are getting about 300 pixels per inch which has should have incredible feather detail. Even when finding the sharpest part of the image, if you posted 100% crop I am not sure it will be impressively sharp, even for 3200 ISO with 1/3200. However, do you have in camera high ISO noise reduction on, dpp will emulate the default setting when DPP opens raw. Similarly, for sharpening, which I believe has very low default sharpening. . Btw, do you recall whether IS was on? Mode? (one of my theories include involve IS). For clarity (no pun intended) what model 1.4x are you using? I also don't think the 70-200 mk I was the best at taking a TC. Do you have any similar distance very sharp Shots?

So, in dpp, can you turn off all NR, give it moderate sharpening and post a 100% crop from the before and after from sharpest part (may or not be sharp)? If the new processing isn't impressive I think you are in the same boat as Pondrader and Phoenix. Can you share whether you had been on Firmware 1.0.5 and then went to 1.0.4; or had you only gone to 1.0.4 from a lower number?

If you want, you can put the raws on Dropbox into a public folder in your Acct to share them.

-Guy

bidkev wrote in post #17791244
Thanks for all the wishes folks. I'm back now and in the surgeons own words, "as strong as an ox"

My previous quad by-pass and this aortic aneurysm fix were both discovered by chance as I had no symptoms from either. That's a 2nd and 3rd chance I've been given at life so I aim to make the most of it. It's not how long you live but how you live that matters. But...............The Beast, as I call it, will have to wait a while and be confined to the back yard and a monopod until such time as I am checked for an endoleak in 6 weeks...............so​...............none of this

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Hey Kev, awesome news.. !!

Thanks Guy.

Here is dropbox link to the raw. Probably the best example. Did a bunch prior to tweaking MA and sas you saw earlier, had several where SS was marginal for FL.
https://www.dropbox.co​m …8lb9rwv/SMP_166​8.CR2?dl=0

Lens is 70-200 f2.8 non IS plus a 1.4x II tc. Got it about a month ago - came with 1.02. Upgraded to 1.04 2 weeks ago. Single shot focus is good. Just servo seems off.

8612images wrote in post #17791775
Thanks Guy.

Here is dropbox link to the raw. Probably the best example. Did a bunch prior to tweaking MA and sas you saw earlier, had several where SS was marginal for FL.
https://www.dropbox.co​m …8lb9rwv/SMP_166​8.CR2?dl=0

Lens is 70-200 f2.8 non IS plus a 1.4x II tc. Got it about a month ago - came with 1.02. Upgraded to 1.04 2 weeks ago. Single shot focus is good. Just servo seems off.

I took a look.
For an 'old' Canon 70-200 through an old 1.4xII at 3200 iso on a Crop Sensor, it seems pretty good to me.
Given your setting (1/3200, F6.3, ISO 3200) + Crop sensor + 1.4xII, I might suggest (1/1250, F7.1, 1600ISO)

Anything and everything you can do to avoid ISO 3200 and above (if you are truly going for Colour quality and noise control) should be done. It is not that you can't shoot there when needed, but you should try and avoid it.

The tiny white hair feathers on the birds ass are very sharp - as are his feet - for the size of the bird we are talking about, the massive crop in LR needed to see that detail, you do not have a problem (imo).

For your style of shooting (small birds with big chests relative to where their eye is), you may want to move the focus plain forward so that you have more of the critical focus forward of center.

The other interesting thing I saw in Lightroom was how different the colours were if you chose Adobe Colours or Canon Standard.

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17791806
I took a look.
For an 'old' Canon 70-200 through an old 1.4xII at 3200 iso on a Crop Sensor, it seems pretty good to me.
Given your setting (1/3200, F6.3, ISO 3200) + Crop sensor + 1.4xII, I might suggest (1/1250, F7.1, 1600ISO)

Anything and everything you can do to avoid ISO 3200 and above (if you are truly going for Colour quality and noise control) should be done. It is not that you can't shoot there when needed, but you should try and avoid it.

The tiny white hair feathers on the birds ass are very sharp - as are his feet - for the size of the bird we are talking about, the massive crop in LR needed to see that detail, you do not have a problem (imo).

For your style of shooting (small birds with big chests relative to where their eye is), you may want to move the focus plain forward so that you have more of the critical focus forward of center.

The other interesting thing I saw in Lightroom was how different the colours were if you chose Adobe Colours or Canon Standard.

Steve,
Did you pull the battery since going to 1.04?
Per a previous post of mine, the AF seems like it did its job placing the plane of focus and thus not 'oof', but there is softness that we need to understand,

It will be a while before I can look at the RAW. I don't disagree with a lot of what Wallstreet O'Neil is saying, in how it could be improved with smaller aperture, slightly slower SS and ISO. However, at 1/3200 and ISO 3200,there was a decent amount of light that could easily produce more detail over any 3200 ISO noise.

The non IS of the mk I was actually known to be slightly sharper. And TC II was similarly sharp as TC iii in the middle. Again, at 300 ppi, I would expect more.

Related to any micro movement and since we don't have any IS settling to blame.....
I know you can shoot and given the number of shots of this bird, I bet your answer is as expected, but can you confirm that you weren't rushing to target the shot when you depressed the shutter? (in other words, you didn't jump from a previous aim rushing to this new aim rushing to press the shutter?)
AND, what are you first/second priority settings? (focus/equal/speed? )

Some further ideas to collect more info-
Lastly, are you able to do a test shot of a dollar bill at similar distance comparing servo, one shot, and live view Af (all ideally on a tripod)?