Strobe for Action Sports

Hi,

I am for sure new to all this strobe stuff with so many of them being out in the world of photography. This past week I bought a Flashpoint Rovelight on Adaroma in the Flashpoint mount thinking that was fine. Turns out I should have gotten the Bowens S mount one since I need better modifers that will allow me to more of spotlight effect for action that is happening a ways away, so my light is going back but now Im looking and finding alot of lights out there that are fitting my price range of about $500. I know this a little but I dont wanna go crazy to start. I shoot alot of action sports so overpowering the sun is key as well as stopping motion so HSS is great. Also I have a Canon 1D Mark IV that Im using for this so would be nice if the light on lower power can keep up with at least 8 frames a sec

Right now Im looking at a few lights so if anyone can help I would be thankful.

Jinbei HD-II 600 - Its in my 500 buget and has HSS and good amount of power since its the same light as what the flashpoint is but this one has the Bowens S mount on it so that will be nice.

Godox XEnergizer 600W ES-600P - Fits my buget as well and I really like how the light itself is small and light weight so a person can hold it easyer for following the action. Has the Bowens mount but not seeing HSS on this model.

Any help on these from people who have used them or the re named versions of them would be great Thank You

Also I would keep the Rovelight I have if there is a way to put a Bowens Mount on it, I have been thinking of just buying a cheap Bowens Apt and making it work but dont know if it would be worth it or not.

You can try Mettle 600W AD strobe with YN622C triggers. Here are samples of Hyper Sync'ing with the strobe.

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=15021649

RussellJ wrote in post #17321422
Hi,

I am for sure new to all this strobe stuff with so many of them being out in the world of photography. This past week I bought a Flashpoint Rovelight on Adaroma in the Flashpoint mount thinking that was fine. Turns out I should have gotten the Bowens S mount one since I need better modifers that will allow me to more of spotlight effect for action that is happening a ways away, so my light is going back but now Im looking and finding alot of lights out there that are fitting my price range of about $500. I know this a little but I dont wanna go crazy to start. I shoot alot of action sports so overpowering the sun is key as well as stopping motion so HSS is great. Also I have a Canon 1D Mark IV that Im using for this so would be nice if the light on lower power can keep up with at least 8 frames a sec

Right now Im looking at a few lights so if anyone can help I would be thankful.

Jinbei HD-II 600 - Its in my 500 buget and has HSS and good amount of power since its the same light as what the flashpoint is but this one has the Bowens S mount on it so that will be nice.

Godox XEnergizer 600W ES-600P - Fits my buget as well and I really like how the light itself is small and light weight so a person can hold it easyer for following the action. Has the Bowens mount but not seeing HSS on this model.

Any help on these from people who have used them or the re named versions of them would be great Thank You

This may be an issue. I see some conflicting variables here.

- You say you shoot subjects that are "a ways away".
- You want to over-power the sun.
- You want to shoot Hypersync.
- You want to shoot at 8 FPS.

In order to over power the sun, "a ways away", yes, you'll need a long-throw reflector. You'll also need quite a bit of light. Here's where things get conflicting. In order to shoot at 8FPS, you'll need to turn the power way down. By turning down the power, you will struggle to over power the sun (less light and you lose even more power due to Hypersync, depending on your SS). Things also get complicated because Hypersync generally works best at full power (slowest t.1 flash duration) although this depends entirely on the strobe used. Also, let's not confuse Hypersync with HSS. Just some food for thought.

Thanks for getting back, I was talking more about HSS Hypersync is cool but dont really understand it. I also understand that I will need a long throw Reflector to get the power way out there. Im just trying to see what like will work the best. The main problem I have is the Flashpoint mount so I need to rig a Bowens mount to the light or move to a new light.

RussellJ wrote in post #17322828
Thanks for getting back, I was talking more about HSS Hypersync is cool but dont really understand it. I also understand that I will need a long throw Reflector to get the power way out there. Im just trying to see what like will work the best. The main problem I have is the Flashpoint mount so I need to rig a Bowens mount to the light or move to a new light.

Didn't you say in the OP that you sent the light back and are now considering new options?

Why do you need a bowens mount if all you need is a reflector?
You need to read up on the difference between HSS and hypersync, sometimes called supersync but none of those is likely to play well with rapid shooting.

Ok need to clear up a few things sorry for the everywhere ness of this.

I have the Flashpoint Rovelight 600 in my hands right now. Its packed up and ready to be shipped out though thats why I was looking at new strobes.

I understand that the HSS and Lots of shots dont play nice dont need them to. I need HSS when Its super sunny outside and I need Fast firing for a few ideas I have for sequence photography at sunset so power isn't that big.

Im trying to find a way to put something like this, http://www.ebay.com …ain_0&hash=item​46086964ca, on the end of mine right now. I dont know how to do this but I know I would need to cut and weld mabye and wondering if its worth the trouble of it all.

Im finding this pack alot of people like but also seeing that that it has no HSS but people say you can use it at higher shutter speeds over you sync..how does that work. I like it alot more bc the head is smaller so I can hand hold it and the battery doesnt weight it down.
http://www.ebay.com …ain_0&hash=item​43ca69518b


Hope this helps out a bit....

You still havent made it clear why you need that mount. There might be options to consider if you tell the entire story.

A short primer on syncing above native sync. Because above a certain speed (varies by csmera) the second curtain closes before the first one is fully open. That means part of the image eould not get sny flsdh resulting in a black bar on the image. Canon gets around this with HSS, wherein the flash rapifly pulses to emulate continuous light for a brief instant. The downside to that is a significant reduction in power certain stufio strobes when paired with capable triggrrs can fo hypersync or supersync,. That wotks by firing the strobe early so the main burdt is not captured but the longer duration tail burn or afterglow of the flashtube acts as a bright brief continuous light. Again you lose most of the power so you cant easily overpower the sun. You also cant easily meter the strobe because the meter measures the full flash. Check to see ehichrver system uou are looking at is capable of HSS or hypersync and what speeds you can reach.

Ok the reason for me needing such a crazy mix of stuff is this so hope this helps

Motocross - Need a light that can overpower sun for photos to lighten the shadows and give a flash look that is often seen in posters and commercial work but I need that one shot of light to be powerful and able to reach out a good amount but also a light for I can move the light around when shooting wide

Mountain Bikes - Same as motocross but also need a light that keep up with fast FPS when not in HSS mode for sunset shots of the rider at the right moment

Wedding - I dont do alot of them but I do some so having a light that will help light up the places and for photos of bride and groom outside with HSS will be great with 1.8 lens

Food - I shoot a bit of food as well for a few local companys that could use a bit of lighting so a strobe that can take soft-boxes and such.


Hope this helps a bit more. Thanks

Ummm you didnt say why you needed that particular mount, which was my question.

I cant find any Long Throw for the Flashpoint mount is the main reason, I need a modifier that will throw the light like a spotlight and reach subjects. I shoot this photo this past weekend with the 8 inch reflector and I had to be close for it to work the way I wanted it to. Still not the way I wanted but I like it.

This is the type of work I want to do, just need to find the right lighting combo to make it work.

THIS IS NOT MY PHOTO!!!!!!

This is one way to do it - https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=xAFEgrUvtmQ#​t=201

Many speedlights on a stick. Somewhere there is a video of this guy getting multiple exposures of a skier off a jump. All done with many speedlights firing 8 fps (or so).

Throw a better beamer on these and you can light at a distance.

I have seen alot of people doing that, seems like a huge waste of money to buy a bunch of speedlights for just grouping them. I think one strobe will what Im looking for.