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Apr 08, 2012 00:13 |  #946

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Apr 08, 2012 06:27 |  #947

MidnightRook wrote in post #14224575 (external link)
What did you plan on using the 35 for? Would help to narrow down some options. You have this focal length covered in your zoom range, so this lens would be great in being tiny.

I'm thinking of using the 35 f/2 for basic all around lens. I'm a Cinematographer, I'm currently filming a short right now using the 24-70, but that lens is just too heavy for an all around shoot. I was thinking having a 35mm would be a much better choice than a 50mm since it has a shorter distance, and that I could use it in a much tighter situation when I'm in a smaller room.


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Apr 08, 2012 09:20 |  #948

Mark - you might want to look at the Samyang 35mm F1.4 for filming, the focus ring is much better on it, with a longer focus path, and also it opens up to F1.4 if necessary... and the bokeh looks much much nicer.
Of course it's not very light (like 660g iirc), but it is quite good for filming. Takes 77mm filters too, which is nice.


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Apr 08, 2012 09:26 |  #949

For cinematography, you have to ensure there's enough light anyway. So buying a lens at a focal length already covered wouldn't be cost effective. You could use that same money for a couple of lights and reflectors. Just my 2 cents.


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Apr 08, 2012 10:26 |  #950

The Devil wrote in post #14229742 (external link)
Mark - you might want to look at the Samyang 35mm F1.4 for filming, the focus ring is much better on it, with a longer focus path, and also it opens up to F1.4 if necessary... and the bokeh looks much much nicer.
Of course it's not very light (like 660g iirc), but it is quite good for filming. Takes 77mm filters too, which is nice.

Depth of field would be super shallow at 1.4, so pulling focus would actually be pretty difficult, especially at close focal distances.


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Apr 08, 2012 10:36 |  #951

Yes, but the 35mm is such a focal length that generally you just don't get that shallow DoF regardless of the aperture.
But my point still stands about the bokeh, which is awful on the Canon 35mm F2 and excellent on the Samyang.
And as I said it'd be nice to have that option, you don't have to use it if it's not necessary but it's something that'd be nice to have, no? And the loooong focus path and smooth focus ring are still far superior to those on the Canon 35mm F2 which has a short, 90 degree focus path (iirc the Samyang has like 270 degrees - correct me if I am mistaken), and the focus ring itself just isn't that smooth.


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Apr 08, 2012 13:26 |  #952

So you're saying that having two lenses at 35mm focal length is worth it because it would be nice to have. Unless the bokeh is bad on that 24-70, then why buy another lens? It's not the lens, it's the artist. At least for me.


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Apr 08, 2012 13:44 |  #953

Well he said so himself that the 24-70 is pretty damn heavy hence the desire for a 35mm prime. It's significantly heavier than even the 35mm Samyang.
I only compare the Canon 35mm F2 and the Samyang 35mm F1.4, what I'm saying is that if you're dead set on buying a 35mm prime I would recommend the Samyang 35mm F1.4, especially for filming.
Yes, it's not the lens, it's the artist, but in terms of ergonomics and bokeh, a better lens most certainly helps(again, purely comparing the Canon 35mm F2 and the Samyang 35mm F1.4). The less the equipment gets in the way the better(or in other words, the better ergonomics, the better), and that's why I'm recommending the Samyang 35mm F1.4 for filming over the Canon 35mm F2. Less weight falls into the category of "ergonomics" as well(as well as a longer, smoother focus path for filming, obviously), by the way, so I can see why one would want to replace the 24-70L for filming. :)


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Apr 08, 2012 14:09 |  #954

To each their own. Ergonomics doesn't effect image quality, but lights will effect everything. ISO, shutter speed, aperture... All of that is more important than bokeh. Which is why i advised against buying another lens.


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Apr 08, 2012 14:14 |  #955

Yes well the question wasn't about that, and since said person is a cinematographer, one would assume he already knows all that and was just asking about a lens, and in response to that I recommended a more optimal lens that has better bokeh and a longer, smoother focus path which is VERY good for video.

Also, ergonomics does affect use, and bad ergonomics makes it harder for the photographer to achieve the picture the photographer wants, mainly because the photographer is fiddling with the settings and not thinking about/concentrating on the picture as much as he/she should be. Ergonomics are extremely important for both video and stills, make no mistake about that, even if it doesn't seem immediately apparent.

The 35mm F2 is great for photography (aside from the awful bokeh - which is a matter of taste), but not so great for video for ergonomic reasons. And F1.4 is nice to have for those rare cases you actually need it. And optically the Samyang is better in every possible way, but that doesn't really matter for video, because even 1080p video is fairly low resolution compared to what sensors are actually capable of.


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Apr 08, 2012 14:48 |  #956

You may be right, hopefully he will benefit from your advice.


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Apr 09, 2012 18:33 |  #958

Wow thanks for all the good feedback guys. I'm leaning more towards on the Samyang 35mm. I knew about that in the past, it just slipped on my mind. The focus ring on that bad boy does look pretty beastly. I do care about Bokeh. I'm a very big fan of em. I also shoot the lowest if i could in all my videos, unless I'm shooting outside (since I don't own an ND Fliter) Lighting is also another issue for mine. I've just been using indoor lights, reflectors, suns for all my shoot to give it a natural look, and just CC in post.

Thanks for the advice! Gotta save up some money then!


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