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Jan 01, 2015 11:50 |  #1

Yep I've decided its time that I up ones skills in noise reduction. However instead of just reading dry articles I'd rather have a look at what other people can do with their own skills with a view to then sharing those results and skills.

Hopefully we can all pick up a little (or a big) something from others and learn some new skills in noise reduction.

So up I'm putting up a RAW shot I took recently which we can work upon. The shot is taken on a Canon 7D at ISO 12800 indoors so its pretty darn noisy. In fact its rather extreme and certainly beyond the cameras best, but why do this easy - lets do a challenge as all we learn on this will greatly improve shots with lighter noise levels.

Here is the drop-box link to it (it should work - hope it works - just remember to copy and paste it locally otherwise DB might do odd things).

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Once you've got the shot make a note of:
1) The software you use and the order you use them if you use more than one
2) The steps and stages you use to reduce the noise - be as detailed as you are capable/desire to be. The more info the better as ideally we should each be able to replicate the results.
3) Post up your method and your results and how you've found the shot to reduce noise with etc... Again more detail the better.

I'm not as concerned about exposure or white balance changes here, this is really about focusing on the noise itself (both fullsize and resized).


My own method:

1) Opened and performed basic editing in lightroom. Noise removed at this stage is only colour-noise (which is at its default value). I removed no other noise with lightroom.

2) Opened to edit in Photoshop.

3) In photoshop I opened up the Neat Image 3rd party addon to reduce noise. I used a 7D ISO 12800 profile from their website combined with area selecting a segment of the grey background and then using the "fine tune" automatic command to fine tune the noise filters based upon the area selection content.

4) In the next page I set the noise reduction setting to reduce noise and sharpen default values - reducing the Y value noise reduction to 40% and in sharpening setting it to 125% in the high setting.

5) Upon completion of the Neat Image I then used the Photoshop "Filters - noise - dust and scratches) with a radius of 1 and a threshold of 30.

5b) at this stage i should have reduced the saturation in cyans (upon reflection and comparison to the original shots taken on the blue areas which are a bit overly strong in my first edit here).

6) Results were then saved - I then reduced the size in a couple of steps (3500 - 2000- 1000 pixels on the longest side) sharpening with unsharpen mask as needed at each step.
I could have done one final small noise-reduction sweep on the final stages


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So now lets see and hear of your results :)

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Jan 01, 2015 16:16 |  #2

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Jan 01, 2015 16:45 |  #3

Ahh it seems the url code doesn't work on this forum like it does others - link fixed - thanks for telling me


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Jan 01, 2015 17:20 |  #4

Noiseware Software

Noise Level Adjustment
Luminance +10%
Color +10%

Noise Suppression
Luminance 90%
Color 90%

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Jan 01, 2015 17:24 |  #5

I'll give it a go

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Jan 01, 2015 18:03 |  #6

Heres my shot. I don't do much of this.

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All adjustments are done in lightroom.

Exposure +.5
Highlights +32
Shadows -29
Noise Reduction 88
Detail 55
Contrast 32
Color 56



  
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Jan 01, 2015 19:43 |  #7

Windpig's looks the best so far to my eye's as the horses tail is retaining ts hair texture, and the whites are still nice a subtle without being to brite, just shows what can be done:-)

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OK so I took a slightly different approach. I applied a base level of Lum NR (63) to the entire image, plus some sharpening but with the sharpening mask set at 80. I adjusted the NR detail and contrast sliders a little to taste.

Then I used a local adjustment brush with NR set to 80 on the blue wall (but not the horse and rider) so that the large expanse of colour would look better without smoothing details on the subject. Next I did the same on the top half of the wall but with NR set to 50 clarity to 30 and a small boost to the contrast.

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Jan 02, 2015 18:17 |  #9

Overread wrote in post #17360547 (external link)
1) Opened and performed basic editing in lightroom. Noise removed at this stage is only colour-noise (which is at its default value). I removed no other noise with lightroom.


My understanding is that you should remove as much noise as you can in the raw format before it is baked into the Tiff, PSD, or JPG.

So here's mine:

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In ACR, I increased the exposure by ½ stop and dropped the highlights by !00 to increase the detail in the whites. In the curves panel I added +12 highlights, -33 lights, -35 darks, & -50 shadows to increase the contrast in the horses mane and tail.

My settings on the sharpening panel were sharpness 105, radius 1.5, detail 10, & masking 40. In the noise panel below my settings were 80 noise, no lum. detail, 60 lum. contrast, color 60, and color detail 50.

I used an adjustment brush to:

1) Remove the sharpening halo from the hat at -50 contrast, -100 highlights, & -40 sharpness (it partially returned when I resized it)
2) Add +50 clarity to the mane, tail, and dirt

Resized image to 1000 px on the long side with bicubic automatic.

I fooled around with the Nik plug-ins a little bit, but I have little experience with them and did not improve anything, so I didn't include it

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Jan 02, 2015 20:24 |  #10

I'll take a shot at it:

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Jan 02, 2015 20:58 |  #11

rrblint wrote in post #17363057 (external link)
I'll take a shot at it:

Yes, but the OP states:

Once you've got the shot make a note of: 1) The software you use and the order you use them if you use more than one 2) The steps and stages you use to reduce the noise - be as detailed as you are capable/desire to be. The more info the better as ideally we should each be able to replicate the results. 3) Post up your method and your results and how you've found the shot to reduce noise with etc... Again more detail the better.


Oh, I think I made a mistake on my post. I think the masking was 10, not 40.


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Jan 02, 2015 21:23 |  #12

I used my 1D4 single noise action on this, it seemed to work the best, then I cleaned up the wall, then one final round of noiseware, then a bit of contrast and sharpen. I try to leave enough noise to still create detail, like the marks and nails on the back wall, patterns in the riding blanket, etc. The best places to look are in the shadows like the rear thigh and in the surface of the rear haunches to see what detail you have left.

I disagree that you want as much noise taken out in the raw, but rather use the best noise removal techniques before enhancing sharpness and saturation. Rarely are raw processors the best at removing noise.

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Jan 03, 2015 09:31 |  #13

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17363129 (external link)
I disagree that you want as much noise taken out in the raw, but rather use the best noise removal techniques before enhancing sharpness and saturation. Rarely are raw processors the best at removing noise.

Well, you are probably correct. As long as you remove the noise before any sharpening or saturation enhancement, that's probably the most important.

The attempts here seem to show that there doesn't seem to be a world of difference no matter what method you use. Nothing seems to be head and shoulders above the rest to me. Everything seems to be within the opposing continuum of sharpness versus noise removal.

It's been a fun exercise so far, Overread :-)


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Jan 03, 2015 09:38 |  #14

I disagree that there's not a fairly definitive difference between some of these attempts, and I'm not saying mine is the end all, but some look like a bad attempt at editing a portrait where the skin looks plastic and alien. It's all a trade off, no noise, grain, halos. I also think that there's no silver bullet. If you have an image you like, it's worth the time spent to bring out the best in it.

I forgot to post this info: For my attempt I opened two independent copies of the raw file in CS6. The first copy I bumped the luminance NR in ACR, saved. Then I opened the 2nd copy in ACR and adjusted the sharpening such that it looked good where I wanted it, saved. I then sized the image, created a mask in for the sharpened layer, then brushed in the areas of detail I wanted sharpened. Total time about 5 minutes.


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Jan 03, 2015 10:21 |  #15

Making two raw conversions was a good idea.


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