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Worth it to upgrade from T5i to 70D or 6D?

 
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Jan 04, 2015 21:42 |  #1

Yeah another one of these threads....I've read until my eyes bled on the differences between the T5i, 70D and 6D but I wanted to get some opinions based on my specific needs. Here's the rundown:

I got my T5i a few months ago (lenses in my sig) and take it with me pretty much everywhere I go. It's been really great for me so far--you can see what I like to shoot on my flickr, linked in my sig (pardon the early photos, I know they're not awesome). However, I shoot a lot of candid indoor stuff, in situations where I don't have time or it's not appropriate to get lighting set up. I never have my ISO set higher than 1600 but even at that level the noise gets pretty bad on the T5i, which I'm noticing now that I have a (slightly) more discerning eye. Of course, lower ISOs get me blurry shots since I don't always have a tripod available either. So I'm wondering if it's time to upgrade.

I know the 6D is FF and obviously would have better low-light performance but I've seen mixed things on the 70D...from what I've read it's not that much of an improvement in the sensor over the T5i since it's still APS-C, but again, mixed reviews, so I wanted to get some feedback on whether the 6D or 70D would be more appropriate for me based specifically on what I shoot. The 6D is at the top of my budget. I've ruled out the 7D mark II since its strengths seem to lie in sports/wildlife photography and if I'm going to spend that much I'm going FF.

Additional info: My goal for this year is to be able to at least develop a bit of side income on shooting portraits, families, engagements, etc. I want to get some weddings in the mix down the line. I also enjoy nature and street photography but they won't be my main focus.

Any advice for this noob is greatly appreciated!


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Jan 04, 2015 22:41 |  #2

I just got the 6D not too long ago and love it. Great low light performance and IQ. It'd be perfect for portraits, engagements etc.

however considering the lenses you own, I'd recommend the 70D or the 7D mk II. Would you dish out $XXXX for a FF where you can only utilize 1 lens??

Forgive me if i sound rude, but i'd invest in the glass first. It'll make your next camera body shine much more.


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Jan 05, 2015 02:40 |  #3

grazamataz wrote in post #17366555 (external link)
Yeah another one of these threads....I've read until my eyes bled on the differences between the T5i, 70D and 6D but I wanted to get some opinions based on my specific needs. Here's the rundown:

I got my T5i a few months ago (lenses in my sig) and take it with me pretty much everywhere I go. It's been really great for me so far--you can see what I like to shoot on my flickr, linked in my sig (pardon the early photos, I know they're not awesome). However, I shoot a lot of candid indoor stuff, in situations where I don't have time or it's not appropriate to get lighting set up. I never have my ISO set higher than 1600 but even at that level the noise gets pretty bad on the T5i, which I'm noticing now that I have a (slightly) more discerning eye. Of course, lower ISOs get me blurry shots since I don't always have a tripod available either. So I'm wondering if it's time to upgrade.

I know the 6D is FF and obviously would have better low-light performance but I've seen mixed things on the 70D...from what I've read it's not that much of an improvement in the sensor over the T5i since it's still APS-C, but again, mixed reviews, so I wanted to get some feedback on whether the 6D or 70D would be more appropriate for me based specifically on what I shoot. The 6D is at the top of my budget. I've ruled out the 7D mark II since its strengths seem to lie in sports/wildlife photography and if I'm going to spend that much I'm going FF.

Additional info: My goal for this year is to be able to at least develop a bit of side income on shooting portraits, families, engagements, etc. I want to get some weddings in the mix down the line. I also enjoy nature and street photography but they won't be my main focus.

Any advice for this noob is greatly appreciated!


If you're still a beginner, you're better off using a simple and basic camera body. At first, your money is best spent on lessons rather than equipment.

For inexperienced people, there's more to be gained by improving technique than by purchasing new toys. Better technique and improved understanding of how equipment works does not come in a box. That achievement requires time and work. The need for instant gratification will always be frustrated by a craft such as photography where improvement is gradual and incremental.

If you badly want a new toy, buy a light meter (external link) and learn how to use it. Dollar-per-dollar, you'll be better off than buying another camera body.




  
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Jan 05, 2015 06:38 |  #4

great advice, thank you both. i did consider that going to FF would cut me down to only one lens so i will probably hold off on FF for now. i will check out light meters too. i definitely don't want to be that guy with a fancy camera who doesn't know how to use it right. that being said i may still consider the 70D for the improved AF (19 points vs 9 points) and the quick-control dial, plus the price is attractive right now. but i'm not yet familiar with light meters so i can see that being very useful to learn.


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Jan 05, 2015 08:04 as a reply to  @ grazamataz's post |  #5

The 6D will up your image quality, but you're going to spend big bucks on the glass. I started with a T4i (exactly the same camera as the T5i) and bought a 70d. If you shoot in full manual mode, the ergonomics are definitely quicker to navigate on the 70d. As far as IQ difference, for me the big change is the lack of banding in the shadows. The 70d is still noisy, but it's a *better* noisy. It was worth the upgrade for me, but I needed a second body. I also had decent glass before I upgraded.

At this point you're not too invested in EF-S, if I were in your shoes, I'd hold on to what I had for now. Take the $500 that you'd spend on upgrading to the 70d, and put it into lighting gear. Way more bang for your buck, and all of it will transfer over when you decide to jump to full frame. Couple flashes, triggers, light stands, and umbrellas will give you tons to learn while you're mastering your craft.


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Jan 05, 2015 09:17 |  #6

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As far as IQ difference, for me the big change is the lack of banding in the shadows. The 70d is still noisy, but it's a *better* noisy.

Yesssss that's exactly the info i was looking for. That's where it would help me when i am shooting candids without all my gear handy. i was already leaning toward the 70D just for the ergonomics factor. i have the controls on my T5i learned to the point that i can navigate without looking, but it's still clunky to change focus points or stop the exposure up/down. i definitely have lost time on the few actual shoots i've done.

rebelsimon wrote in post #17367037 (external link)
Take the $500 that you'd spend on upgrading to the 70d, and put it into lighting gear. Way more bang for your buck, and all of it will transfer over when you decide to jump to full frame. Couple flashes, triggers, light stands, and umbrellas will give you tons to learn while you're mastering your craft.

i forgot to mention i already do have a couple speedlites, an umbrella with a diffuser, an additional smaller softbox and a trigger system on the way. it should be enough to give me a solid starting point for learning off-camera flash techniques. so that's covered!


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Jan 06, 2015 16:24 |  #7

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If you're still a beginner, you're better off using a simple and basic camera body. At first, your money is best spent on lessons rather than equipment.

For inexperienced people, there's more to be gained by improving technique than by purchasing new toys. Better technique and improved understanding of how equipment works does not come in a box. That achievement requires time and work. The need for instant gratification will always be frustrated by a craft such as photography where improvement is gradual and incremental.

If you badly want a new toy, buy a light meter (external link) and learn how to use it. Dollar-per-dollar, you'll be better off than buying another camera body.

This is your very best advice. You already own a great and very capable camera. Very little will be gained by spending money on new hardware at this point. Buy new equipment only when your current kit is limiting your abilities in some way.

Save your money and get to the point where your current camera simply cannot keep up with you. Then make a move on new hardware.


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Jan 06, 2015 16:58 |  #8

I say that if you can afford to upgrade, go for it. Your technique will continue to improve as you get out and take more pictures. I have a 70D and am really happy with it (started out with a 60D). 6D is a great camera as well, if you are willing to invest in a FF system.


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Jan 06, 2015 18:17 |  #9

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This is your very best advice. You already own a great and very capable camera. Very little will be gained by spending money on new hardware at this point. Buy new equipment only when your current kit is limiting your abilities in some way.

Save your money and get to the point where your current camera simply cannot keep up with you. Then make a move on new hardware.

thank you for the advice, seriously. and i completely agree on learning the techniques first--i do think that's important. that being said, i believe i am at a point already where an upgrade would be beneficial. i've taken thousands of photos, read a ton and watched hours of videos in the time i've had my camera and am already finding things that could have been easier/better with a better AF system, more efficient camera controls, etc. i'm booking shoots with friends (still pro bono as i do consider myself a learner) now and i want to make sure i can keep up and get more efficient as i go. does that make sense?

since i've already got my lighting equipment (save for a light meter, which is now on my short list), i think a 70D would be a good step for me. it's a camera i'd be able to hold on to for a while and would grow with me more than the T5i.

i understand most advice has been to hold off...you guys are probably thinking, "man this dude's not listening." i really am and this conversation has given me good food for thought as to where i am and what i need to focus on next, along with helping me decide on a 70D vs the 6D. i do really appreciate all the input. i'm about 95 percent decided on an upgrade now, especially since the 70D is priced pretty nice at the moment and i will have a good tax return coming.


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Jan 07, 2015 06:56 |  #10

Chris.....

First of all thanks for starting this thread. Like you I too have been wanting to upgrade to a 70D or 6D, but after all the great replies you have received, I'm going to work more on learning with the gear I currently have.

By the way, I visited your Flicker and you are doing some very nice work with your T5i.


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Jan 07, 2015 07:01 as a reply to  @ DigiBill's post |  #11

Thank you very much Bill! Yeah I think if it were any other time of year I'd be more inclined to hold off on an upgrade but that's what tax returns are for, right? :lol:


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Jan 07, 2015 14:33 as a reply to  @ grazamataz's post |  #12

Chris, I too am at a point where I'm thinking of upgrading from my t4i to either the 70D or 6D (in fact I started a similar thread here a few days ago). Looking at your lenses, maybe before spending money on the camera you should try renting L glass to see if the improved IQ and AF they come with can tide you over for a little longer with the t5i (I recognize that some of the obstacles you've referenced won't be removed with better glass). For me, I've found that L lenses are vastly superior in image quality, color and speed to the EF-S lenses and have extended the life of my t4i. You can check out the-digital-picture.net to see how lenses will fare on different cameras in various categories. The added benefit of better lenses is that they will outlast your 70D when you are ready to replace that with the 7D ii! After reading some of the responses to my earlier thread, I am going to try and sell my t4i with the 18-135 to acquire the 70D (not ready for full frame yet, plus I still like the lower weight, smaller size, and extra focal length you get on the APS-C sensor). I'm curious to find out what you end up doing....


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Jan 07, 2015 14:45 |  #13

Chris, what kind of prices are you seeing for the 70D? Are you looking at new or used? The best I've seen so far is $750 on craigslist.


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Jan 07, 2015 16:51 |  #14

For what it's worth, I recently went from a 600D (T3i) to a 6D.

I have always been happy with the overall performance of the 600d and have been shooting with it for 3+ years. Image quality has always been very good. But I wanted to be able to shoot wide apertures at long focal lengths. When My EF S 18-200 is zoomed to 200 the widest it will open is f/5.6. So I bought the EF 70-200 f/2.8. That lens, when mounted on the 600D has a very narrow field of view at 70mm. To the point where it's all but useless. Unless your 40 feet from your subject. So I got the type of camera that lens was designed for.

So, the primary reason for my upgrade was to be able to shoot wide apertures at long focal lengths.


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Jan 07, 2015 17:12 |  #15

for what it's worth (only been doing this for over 6 months) I went from t5i to 6d and i cannot be more happy.
lower noise at high ISO
better image quality
More dynamic range
larger viewfinder
larger sensor
Better color depth
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Better maximum light sensitivity
Better boost ISO


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