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Jan 13, 2015 22:56 |  #1

A few weeks ago there was a thread here:

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17356280

entitled "How-to: Making an underexposed low-ISO Canon image look like an underexposed low-ISO Sony image."

I gather the intent of the post was to demonstrate a workflow that could be used to eliminate the various kinds of noise for which the Canon sensor is known with some processing techniques, including FFT filtering for the banding noise, etc.

Here is another approach, although I am not aiming to make the Canon image look like a Sony, or any other image, just throwing the idea of trying to increase signal-to-noise ratio and fight the pattern noise gremlins.

Right up front I am going to state that this is a demonstration of a long-used technique in astrophotography and clearly may not be useful in most everyday shooting. However, I am a nerd and it's all about getting your nerd on - so here goes.

This is the scene/final image I set up and processed:

IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-XwXCGf4/0/O/image1280.jpg

Absolutely stunning, I know. The scene is set up with elements to challenge the sensor of my 5DIII. Here is the scene rendered in ACR with all sliders set to zero:

IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-hTbRsJv/0/O/_MG_0070.jpg

You get the idea. We would all like to be able to push this image by shooting raw and flogging it to death in a raw converter, with minimal noise in the shadows and nice color rendition and all of that fluffy rainbows and unicorns stuff.

In the following posts I'll describe the basic idea and post some comparisons that will hopefully address some of the questions left unanswered in the previous thread. It ain't no D800, but it was nerdtastically fun. I shot the scene with a Canon 5DIII + Zeiss 135mm f/2 Apo Sonnar T* ZE at f/4, ISO 200 at 1/125s. The lamp adjacent to the styrofoam head was the primary light and some incidental ambient light from outside the room may have provided some minimal fill. This is a very high contrast scene, given the falloff of the light, but the 135 focal length made for a tight crop. Fair enough.

I am having some issues with my display profile on my MacBook Pro (logic board was recently replaced) so take the color and contrast in these images with a grain of salt - this isn't really about aesthetics.

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Jan 13, 2015 23:10 |  #2

I apologize in advance to the astrophotographers on the forum who will read this and cringe at the oversimplification and likely mis-worded and glib explanation of the workflow. I mean no harm.

I used the astrophotographic workflow for calibration and image integration. This process is predicated upon sampling the camera's noise characteristics and optical characteristics and creating files that are subtracted from the scene image files to remove things like pattern noise and vignetting, etc. The terms that describe the data/image types are:

dark
bias
flat (field)
light

Dark frames and bias frames are used to characterize the sensor and electronics noise. Flat field frames are used to characterize light falloff and other optical flaws (like the LCC images used in CaptureOne) and the lights frames are the actual images of your scene.

For each of these four image types you shoot multiple, identical images (10-20 per image type). The general idea is that averaging or combining the 10-20 images into a "master" image will permit the master dark, master bias and master flat to be removed from each of the light images - this is all done before debayering so that each pixel location on the sensor is accounted for in the CFA pattern, and no interpolation has taken place. This is known as "calibration."

Once each light image has been calibrated, the calibrated light images are integrated (combined) into a single master light image. This is the image that you can then use as you would normally to edit and produce a final image, with more signal and less noise. The steps required to produce a true astrophotographic image go well beyond this preprocessing, but for my purposes in shooting this scene, I was able to use the master light image as I would a raw image.

I did all of this fancy stuff in PixInsight. I exported the resulting master light image as a 32bit TIFF and then opened it in Photoshop. I used the Camera Raw filter to tone the 32bit image, pushing it about 3+ stops and boosting the shadows significantly. I was not too concerned with aesthetics and used no noise reduction. I used all DEFAULT settings in PixInsight for this preprocessing, which likely yields less than ideal results. Even with those settings, I was able to achieve significant results.

I also opened one of the original raw files (one of the lights image raw files) and applied similar settings in ACR and converted into a 16bit TIFF in PS. I color matched this output to my master lights image to make the images visually consistent.

What follows are 100% crops comparing three image states:

1) the zeroed raw image
2) the ACR conversion of one of the raws
3) the calibrated and integrated image

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Jan 13, 2015 23:13 |  #3

Highlight area (styrofoam head right next to the lightbulb):

IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-nJzc6Vk/0/O/Face1_0002_Original%20-%20ACR%20Zeroed.jpg


IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-zssdqw6/0/O/Face1_0001_ACR%20%2B%20color%20matched.jpg


IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-5QVXpVV/0/O/Face1_0000_Calibrated%20and%20Integrated.jpg


As you might expect, there is not too much difference where the sensor has collected a lot of light. But, on the shadowed side of the styrofoam face, there is a noticeable difference.

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Jan 13, 2015 23:16 |  #4

Head in deep shadow:


IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-FH45nXr/0/O/Face2_0002_Original%20-%20ACR%20Zeroed.jpg



IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-BSdTMFs/0/O/Face2_0001_ACR%20%2B%20color%20matched.jpg



IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-WtQnnbc/0/O/Face2_0000_Calibrated%20and%20Integrated.jpg


Ahh haa! The money shot. That's pretty noticeable. The ACR conversion of the raw contains all of the noise you have come to love, while the calibrated and integrated image contains manageable noise in the darker areas. Detail and color are preserved in the calibrated image.

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Jan 13, 2015 23:18 |  #5

Here's one more example:


IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-2htfMns/0/O/Keys1_0002_Layer%201.jpg



IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-Fp4jzwZ/0/O/Keys1_0001_Layer%202.jpg



IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Link-Share/i-kK3BGLL/0/O/Keys1_0000_Layer%203.jpg


Etc. Cool stuff.


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Jan 14, 2015 06:50 |  #6

Nice one Kirk.

I've often wondered if those astro techniques could be used for other types of photography. However, because it's really only useful on totally static subjects (and that's something I never shoot) I've never been tempted to try it. Good to see that it works so well.


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Jan 14, 2015 06:50 |  #7

Excellent noise control.

Another of your comprehensive and detailed tutorials that you obviously put a lot of time and work into. The POTN community appreciates it.


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Jan 14, 2015 06:59 |  #8

Thanks for the comments! While this was an experiment to demonstrate the concept, I think it might be a worthwhile technique in some circumstances. My limited understanding of this process in astrophotography indicates that the acquisition of dark frames, especially, is required on a per-shoot basis in most cases because exposure times are long and camera sensor temperature plays an important role. The assumption I would test for cases like the one I shot here is that exposure time is so short compared to astrophotographic times, that the acquired dark, bias and flat frames can be applied generically over a wide range of conditions. That is, you could have a library of master darks, bias and flats for only a few different shooting conditions (or lenses) and simply shoot 10-20 lights images of your scene and process them with the appropriate generic master dark, bias and flat.

Sounds like another experiment! Will post here.

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Jan 14, 2015 07:09 |  #9

Could you generate the first three sets of filter images using the camera and lens combinations that you are likely to be using in the "real world" separately from the actual wanted image. Could you then apply the filtering to an image created from a single exposure? Or do you actually need to have multiple exposures of the required image, in order to average out a lot of the noise? If you could apply the corrections to a single exposure it could actually make this sort of approach far more useful in real world applications with moving subjects.

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Jan 14, 2015 07:14 |  #10

BigAl007 wrote in post #17381696 (external link)
Or do you actually need to have multiple exposures of the required image, in order to average out a lot of the noise?

Using dark frames is a great way of getting rid of systematic noise (that's always in the same place). But it won't do anything for random noise. Stacking multiple images will increase the signal:noise ratio (by the square root of the number of stacked images - so shooting 25 'lights' will reduce random noise by 5x).


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