Air shows. Post your best shots.

So you ignored my cropped image of the FF shot showing exactly the same as the crop camera
Believe what ever you want. Obviously you have more smarts than the experts in photography. Just don't bother buying L glass. Your wasting 40% of it's usefulness
I bought the 6D to get full use from my L lens.
Those shots also highlight how aperture is affected by a crop sensor.

Great shots

Desertraptor wrote in post #18017355
So you ignored my cropped image of the FF shot showing exactly the same as the crop camera
Believe what ever you want. Obviously you have more smarts than the experts in photography. Just don't bother buying L glass. Your wasting 40% of it's usefulness

Your cropped shot from your 6D now has fewer pixels and less detail than the uncropped 60D shot, it becomes more obvious as you print larger print sizes, you are getting very nice airplane photos with your 6D and that is all that matters.

Look this is getting pretty pointless, your L glass is never wasted no matter what format you choose only your FOV changes, you would just choose a different focal length lens to achieve the same shot with a crop sensor versus a full frame sensor.

Ok, I will stop trying to convince you so this thread can get back on topic.

Ace and Deuce wrote in post #18014767

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Hemd​qY 3663 by steven, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Hemc​YL 3752 by steven, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/HnKY​Kt 3744 by steven, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Hkjv​HW Panning by steven, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/Hhdw​RTPanning by steven, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/Hkjw​3yPanning by steven, on Flickr

Nice panning shots there

9072 wrote in post #18015016
A few from yesterdays visit to the Cavanaugh Flight Museum in Addison Texas

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GtsV​6u CFM_20160520_09 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/HfAE​qu CFM_20160520_01 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GtsW​65 CFM_20160520_07 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GtsW​yu CFM_20160520_05 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/HfAE​mGCFM_20160520_03 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/GtsX​4CCFM_20160520_04 by David Franks | FlightLevelPhoto.com, on Flickr

I was there on Sat. Nice shots

Desertraptor wrote in post #18017325
Example
2 images taken with 24-70L @24mm on a tripod in exactly the same position.
60D

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Yes it appears you get magnification but you are actually loosing all that extra field of view

You must have missed my response earlier because you didn't bother answering my questions to you. But since you posted these two images, these clearly show exactly what we're talking about.

In your two images above, let's say your 24-70L used was actually a 24mm prime lens, and that's all that you have, and you don't have a longer focal length lens. AND your tripod is as close as you could possibly get to your subjects of interest, which is your mish-mosh collection of Star Wars figurines. And you want to make a 32x24" print of it. You don't care for the monitors or the mouse on the side because that makes your picture look ugly. So you "crop" your 6D image down to match the same FoV that your 60D provided you, and you're now left with an image that is ~7.9mp.

So you're telling us that for this particular picture, you rather have the 7.9mp 6D image to print your 32x24" over your 60D that provides you with 18mp of the same FoV?

Just making sure that this is the argument you're making.

(And please don't say you can just zoom in with the 6D to better frame/change the FoV with your 24-70 because that means you're not focal-length limited in the first place.)

yar6rider wrote in post #18017372
Nice panning shots there

Thanks!!

golfecho wrote in post #18014922
Nice Navy set! Where were they taken?

Thanks! These were from the Westmoreland County Air Show in Latrobe, Pa..

And you ignore the fact a 100mm is always 100mm and the only thing that changes is the field of view.
I know exactly what's going on here as do the experts.. If you want to magically believe in fairys go for it.

Desertraptor wrote in post #18017863
And you ignore the fact a 100mm is always 100mm and the only thing that changes is the field of view.
I know exactly what's going on here as do the experts.. If you want to magically believe in fairys go for it.

And you still refuse to respond to the questions I posed directly to you on the matter. I think that's answer enough for me.

Just for the record, I do know that if I attach a 400mm lens on an APS-C camera, it doesn't [magically] become a 640mm lens. I never said that it does or would. (If you don't believe me, feel free to scroll back.) My point since this discussion started has always been about pixel density and the benefit you get, which you flat out refuse to acknowledge time and time again.

In case you're unaware, I do own both FF and APS-C cameras. Both have their place in my camera bag for specific reasons. For you and the way you're harping on this subject, however, I'm surprised you still have your 60D.

Desertraptor wrote in post #18016951
7D gives more reach?
Not been caught by the conjob that crop sensor increases magnification?

I just must jump on this as its the same confusion thats goes round and round and round and round etc, Everyone knows its the effective field of view, that different crop sizes with thier own lens sizes that affect the central image size in a picture, as if it was being cropped, not the physical size of a lens.

P.

Desertraptor wrote in post #18017017
All it does is reduce the field of view of a particular EF lens giving the illusion of increased magnification.
A 100mm lens will always be a 100mm lens. You effectively reduce the FOV of your L lens if you put it on a crop sensor. so why bother spending 2K on L glass if your going to cut it down.

I guess this is an easy answer - Sometimes you need more range but can not afford a 1000mm L prime to use on a full frame 12mp cam, so a cheaper option is to put a 400mm on a 20mp crop cam.

P.

But it's not more range. It's a cropped area of a larger FOV still. This is what others are not comprehending.
Of course more MP gives the ability to crop more and still have what appears to be increased magnification.

The images I took show clearly the lost FOV on the crop camera. The image I shot on the FF camera can then be cropped to appear at the same magnification as the cropped senor image.
IF both cameras had exactly the same pixel count this would not be an argument. Ignore pixel density/count it's not my argument.

Using the pixel density argument you can use exactly the same argument comparing a 6D to a 5DR. Of course you can crop more with more data.