A7RII (or A9) coming in two weeks from now?

A new SR3 graded rumor over at Sonyalpharumors.com: "(SR3) A7RII (or A9) coming in two weeks from now?" “New high end A7R MK2 being spoken about at Sony and an announcement in the coming weeks. I know there is rumors about an ‘A9′ and they may be referring to this model, or perhaps there will be two models – or Sony may stick to A7R II as the new model.”

http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …ng-in-two-weeks-from-now/

If they come out with a9 with the a7r sensor, and a6000 AF, my 5DIII will be gone!

Saw that this morning.. previous reports indicated closer to (or at) CP+, so that timing is interesting.. Still not sure what to make of A7Rii vs A9.. same thing or separate cameras.. That makes me a bit nervous because if they do release an A7Rii I'm definitely going to grab it, but that kind of screws me over a bit if they then follow it up later in the year with an A9 with 46MP+ sensor as reported..

IBIS + EFC/dampened shutter + A7R everything else would be enough for me.. though I hope there is a bit more to it than that.

mystik610 wrote in post #17389506
If they come out with a9 with the a7r sensor, and a6000 AF, my 5DIII will be gone!

There are sufficient native FE lens models for your needs? I'm not sure if that's true for me, but I'm working on it.

My wishlist for the a9 or a7R II is a bit longer than improved AF, although that would indeed be a fantastic improvement:
1. It has to have an electronic first curtain shutter.
2. No shutter lag.
3. It needs a silent shutter (like in a7S).
4. Around 50MP. 36MP is really just fine - but I can leverage 50MP as a way of compensating for a lack of native tilt-shift lenses. The extra resolution is needed for the excessive cropping required.
5. A full 14 bit non-lossy compressed raw file.
6. Better AEB options (user-definable like in typical Canon/Nikon DSLRs).
7. Cutting edge new sensor technology. IBIS like a7 II would be OK, or something really cool, like a curved sensor, or a non-Bayer sensor. I would trade resolution for a major step in sensor design.
8. Two SD slots for redundant image recording.
9. In-camera 4K recording. This is not critical (right now), but if Panasonic's GH4, Samsung NX1, or even a lowly GoPro can do 4K internal recording, then why can't the a9 (or whatever it's called)?

I realize I am going to be partly disappointed. After all they have to save some goodies for next year's a9 II (or a7R III).


Actually, since I already own an a7R, the camera I want the most right now is an a7S, or perhaps an a7S II (IBIS with a modest bump in resolution would be super). I too want to go all-in with the Sony FE ecosystem, but the zoom lenses speak to an inherent limitation with that ecosystem: smaller/lighter cameras go best with smaller/lighter lenses. F/4 zoom lenses are indeed smaller, but they're a stop slower than preferable for many scenarios. And that's where it can be so nice to have a camera, like the a7S, that performs beautifully at ISO 12800 or even 25600. So, I am very much keen on the notion that to replace my 5D III I want a pair of Sony cameras that can serve varying needs: a7R (or a9 or a7R II) for low ISO work and a7S (or a7S II) for high ISO lowlight needs.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17389671
1. It has to have an electronic first curtain shutter.

Just curious, would EFC still be a requirement for you if they created a silent shutter mode that drastically reduced (if not completely eliminated) the resulting shutter / camera vibration? Wondering what other benefit comes along with EFC other than the decreased vibration?

BrandonSi wrote in post #17389911
Just curious, would EFC still be a requirement for you if they created a silent shutter mode that drastically reduced (if not completely eliminated) the resulting shutter / camera vibration? Wondering what other benefit comes along with EFC other than the decreased vibration?

Are you talking about an electronic silent shutter, like in the a7S? The a7S' silent shutter is a fantastic feature, but has limitations. Basically it's using the same sort of electronic shutter of the video mode. And the a7S (and the whole a7 platform as a whole) suffers from rolling shutter issues and it will affect/afflict the still shots as well.

But, if you're talking about a whole other silent shutter solution, then sure, that would make me happy. Basically I don't want to see any more undampened shutters. Whether it's the loud "kerklunk" sound or the potential for shutter induced blur, it's not welcome. The crazy thing is that I learned early on, with DSLRs, to lock the mirror to maximize image sharpness. So, it's crazy that a mirrorless camera can induce some camera shake just because of the shutter itself.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17389935
Are you talking about an electronic silent shutter, like in the a7S? The a7S' silent shutter is a fantastic feature, but has limitations. Basically it's using the same sort of electronic shutter of the video mode. And the a7S (and the whole a7 platform as a whole) suffers from rolling shutter issues and it will affect/afflict the still shots as well.

But, if you're talking about a whole other silent shutter solution, then sure, that would make me happy. Basically I don't want to see any more undampened shutters. Whether it's the loud "kerklunk" sound or the potential for shutter induced blur, it's not welcome. The crazy thing is that I learned early on, with DSLRs, to lock the mirror to maximize image sharpness. So, it's crazy that a mirrorless camera can induce some camera shake just because of the shutter itself.

No, I was just talking about some imaginary solution that solved the noise/shake issue without EFC.. I just wasn't sure if EFC brought additional benefit beyond the noise/shake solution that I wasn't aware of, and that was why you specifically wanted it.

It sounds like it's really a function of the sensor, so I would imagine as long as it's a new sensor, that they'd include it.. (hopefully).

I will get one as long as it has the NEW 46MB sensor

Otherwise I just trial to get more steady when shooting

I was contemplating picking up an A7II but looks like I will wait to see what comes along.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17389671
There are sufficient native FE lens models for your needs? I'm not sure if that's true for me, but I'm working on it.

My wishlist for the a9 or a7R II is a bit longer than improved AF, although that would indeed be a fantastic improvement:
1. It has to have an electronic first curtain shutter.
2. No shutter lag.
3. It needs a silent shutter (like in a7S).
4. Around 50MP. 36MP is really just fine - but I can leverage 50MP as a way of compensating for a lack of native tilt-shift lenses. The extra resolution is needed for the excessive cropping required.
5. A full 14 bit non-lossy compressed raw file.
6. Better AEB options (user-definable like in typical Canon/Nikon DSLRs).
7. Cutting edge new sensor technology. IBIS like a7 II would be OK, or something really cool, like a curved sensor, or a non-Bayer sensor. I would trade resolution for a major step in sensor design.
8. Two SD slots for redundant image recording.
9. In-camera 4K recording. This is not critical (right now), but if Panasonic's GH4, Samsung NX1, or even a lowly GoPro can do 4K internal recording, then why can't the a9 (or whatever it's called)?

I realize I am going to be partly disappointed. After all they have to save some goodies for next year's a9 II (or a7R III).

Actually, since I already own an a7R, the camera I want the most right now is an a7S, or perhaps an a7S II (IBIS with a modest bump in resolution would be super). I too want to go all-in with the Sony FE ecosystem, but the zoom lenses speak to an inherent limitation with that ecosystem: smaller/lighter cameras go best with smaller/lighter lenses. F/4 zoom lenses are indeed smaller, but they're a stop slower than preferable for many scenarios. And that's where it can be so nice to have a camera, like the a7S, that performs beautifully at ISO 12800 or even 25600. So, I am very much keen on the notion that to replace my 5D III I want a pair of Sony cameras that can serve varying needs: a7R (or a9 or a7R II) for low ISO work and a7S (or a7S II) for high ISO lowlight needs.

This is what I'm wanting the most right now (for about any Sony camera), but I'm afraid it won't happen until enough photographers have complained about it. That's why I started a petition for enabling uncompressed/lossless compression RAW files on Sony cameras (and especially on the A7 cameras).

Someone over on FM forums explained that a silent shutter is likely not feasible on a 36-50MP sensor at this time. So, strike that one off my wishlist. Bummer. Oh well, I think most agree it at least needs a dampened shutter.

What will be interesting to see, is if Sony will continue to innovate and lead in camera innovations with the a9 or a7rII. Either way I cant wait to see what they offer..... IBIS, a7s ISO capabilities, and a7r resolution... Im sold.

NeverFollow wrote in post #17397214
What will be interesting to see, is if Sony will continue to innovate and lead in camera innovations with the a9 or a7rII. Either way I cant wait to see what they offer..... IBIS, a7s ISO capabilities, and a7r resolution... Im sold.

The words in bold are in my opinion an impossible combination. At least for now and for the near future.

jocau wrote in post #17397253
The words in bold are in my opinion an impossible combination. At least for now and for the near future.

why do you say that? it's easily possible, and IMO, it's being held back.

if you are referring to high mp, more noise, it's not really true, and been proven with the 5Dc vs 5D mark 2. 5D mark 2 improved both high iso and resolution, I dont see why a newer sensor wouldnt be able to do that.

Charlie wrote in post #17397280
why do you say that? it's easily possible, and IMO, it's being held back.

if you are referring to high mp, more noise, it's not really true, and been proven with the 5Dc vs 5D mark 2. 5D mark 2 improved both high iso and resolution, I dont see why a newer sensor wouldnt be able to do that.

Larger photodiodes have less noise at high ISO than smaller ones. It's just physics. The 5D and 5DII are many years apart. New technology can improve things, but not in such a short time span (the first A7 cameras are not that old yet).