Newer camera need more sharpening in post?

Just upgraded from the 5Dc to a 6D. At first I thought it was just misfocusing but even after getting that somewhat fixed, it seems like the 6D needed the sharpening in post processing compare to the 5D? Pretty I just have to get pass the learning curve of this new body but this is the first thing I have noticed so far. Anyone else?

Are you working from RAW or JPEG? While I've no experience of the 6D, I do recall comments that it's JPEG engine tends to mess with detail that's there in the RAW.

...Mike

Frequently, the newer, higher resolution bodies have more aggressive AA filters on the sensor and need a bit more sharpening than you are probably used to. Sounds like things are working fine, though.

All sorts of imperfections get magnified when viewing small pixels at 100% on screen - it's hard to know how much of that is AA filter versus lens inperfections, technique, diffraction, motion blur, camera shake etc, all of which need to be improved when using smaller pixels... The size of the 5Dc's pixels was quite forgiving

Within the same sensor format, for any given USM "radius" (or equivalent parameter, specified in number of pixels) the sharpening action affects a physically wider edge strip if the pixels are bigger.

Just my take on it.

If you're using JPEG, you should be able to increase the sharpness level in the camera's menu. That will save you doing it in post.

With RAW, all sharpening is done in post. Just adjust the sharpness setting in your RAW processing software. (As mentioned above, differences in the AA filter and pixel sizes might require you to tweak your sharpness settings).

I went from a 5Dc to a 6D as well and yes you do need to sharpen more for a lot of the reasons listed above.

I went from a 7D to a 6D and found I needed to sharpen less but that's more to do with the 7D's AA filter which I think was particularly aggressive.

So why do so many people post pics with "NO sharpening in post" as if it's cheating?

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17394412
So why do so many people post pics with "NO sharpening in post" as if it's cheating?

99.9% are cheating !
Most of them don't put the full size on flickr or their website, like that you cannot see those tiny little "worms" which increase the sharpness

But the real problems are the skills and the lenses used by the photographer, not the pseudo "sharpness" of a given camera, a sharp lens will give you a sharp image even on the entry level DSLR like the 1000D, a cheapo lens will give you a soft image even on the high end camera like the 1DX

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17394412
So why do so many people post pics with "NO sharpening in post" as if it's cheating?

I would guess that they are trying to compare something and thus don't want to add another variable.

Except even with 'no sharpening' different raw processors do different things behind the scenes that act like sharpening. So if someone does no sharpening in LR and another in Capture one or DPP or Aftershot Pro, they could very well look different in terms of sharpness anyway.

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17394476
99.9% are cheating !
Most of them don't put the full size on flickr or their website, like that you cannot see those tiny little "worms" which increase the sharpness

But the real problems are the skills and the lenses used by the photographer, not the pseudo "sharpness" of a given camera, a sharp lens will give you a sharp image even on the entry level DSLR like the 1000D, a cheapo lens will give you a soft image even on the high end camera like the 1DX

Sharpening isn't cheating though - in-camera JPEG engines apply sharpening. It's part of processing an image. Why pretend it's not? I just don't get it.

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17395246
Sharpening isn't cheating though - in-camera JPEG engines apply sharpening. It's part of processing an image. Why pretend it's not? I just don't get it.

Did i said that sharpening is not a part of "some" process ? Ummm ... let me think ... ummmm ... No ! not at all !

Sharpening can be a part of processing (camera-in or out), but when people said "no sharpening added" and like you said they use the camera-in sharpening at high "rate" like +4-5-7-+whatever (+4 it's where you start to see those little worms at 100% on jpg sooc), so it's cheating !
Those little worms are not a natural part of the image and degrade it even if it's looks better in small size.

Like i said > If you have excellent skills + excellent lenses, you do not need sharpening AT ALL !
Sharpening a picture (camera-in or post processed) is just a way to hide our weakness/lack of knowledge/wake up on the left foot/drink to much coffee in the morning/whatever

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #17395489
Did i said that sharpening is not a part of "some" process ? Ummm ... let me think ... ummmm ... No ! not at all !

Sharpening can be a part of processing (camera-in or out), but when people said "no sharpening added" and like you said they use the camera-in sharpening at high "rate" like +4-5-7-+whatever (+4 it's where you start to see those little worms at 100% on jpg sooc), so it's cheating !
Those little worms are not a natural part of the image and degrade it even if it's looks better in small size.

Like i said > If you have excellent skills + excellent lenses, you do not need sharpening AT ALL !
Sharpening a picture (camera-in or post processed) is just a way to hide our weakness/lack of knowledge/wake up on the left foot/drink to much coffee in the morning/whatever

When you say it is cheating, I can't reconcile that with "part of a process" (not being a Patriots fan). I don't think I'm going to get an answer that satisfies my curiosity on this point from you, though. Thanks for trying.

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17395498
When you say it is cheating, I can't reconcile that with "part of a process" (not being a Patriots fan). I don't think I'm going to get an answer that satisfies my curiosity on this point from you, though. Thanks for trying.

It's the word "cheating" where you "struggle", do not take it at the "first level" or like it's a bad thing, but more in a sens as a help