Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Architecture, Real-Estate & Buildings 
Thread started 21 Jan 2015 (Wednesday) 01:41
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Tilt-Shift theory

 
Eddie
xpfloyd lookalike
Avatar
14,826 posts
Gallery: 719 photos
Best ofs: 8
Likes: 10937
Joined Feb 2011
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
     
Jan 23, 2015 14:28 |  #16

ahh yes in that scenario slowness may not be a good thing. For me using it for landscapes slowing down allows me to take in my surroundings. Sometimes with other lenses I sometimes feel I forget to actually take it in, its like I get there, get the shot, and move on


Leica M11 | Leica Q2 | Sony α7RV
Voigtlander 28 f/2 Ulton II | Leica 50 Summilux ASPH
16-35GM | 24GM | 35GM | 85GM | Tamron 35-150 | Sigma 105 Macro Art

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
njstacker22
Senior Member
Avatar
703 posts
Gallery: 10 photos
Likes: 93
Joined Mar 2014
Location: Hamilton, NJ
     
Jan 23, 2015 15:29 |  #17

xpfloyd wrote in post #17396575 (external link)
ahh yes in that scenario slowness may not be a good thing. For me using it for landscapes slowing down allows me to take in my surroundings. Sometimes with other lenses I sometimes feel I forget to actually take it in, its like I get there, get the shot, and move on

Ah I do this a lot. Once I get home I wish I had taken the extra time!


Sony A7ii [Sony FE 16-35mm f/4] [Sony FE 28-70mm] [Rokinon 135mm F2] [Sony 50mm 1.8]
https://www.flickr.com​/photos/djbigley/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Alveric
Goldmember
Avatar
4,598 posts
Gallery: 38 photos
Likes: 1061
Joined Jan 2011
Location: Canada
Post edited over 8 years ago by Alveric.
     
Jan 23, 2015 15:32 |  #18
bannedPermanent ban

You can always prefocus. I don't find the TS-E slowing me down in any way, but then again I've never been a run-n'-gun kind of bloke. It's also very fast to focus using LiveView. What is a bit more time consuming is using the hot shoe level to make sure the camera is level with the horizon in order to avoid converging verticals, but I hate converging verticals even more than I do chinese flashes, so I always take the time.


'The success of the second-rate is deplorable in itself; but it is more deplorable in that it very often obscures the genuine masterpiece. If the crowd runs after the false, it must neglect the true.' —Arthur Machen
Why 'The Histogram' Sux (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
windpig
Chopped liver
Avatar
15,916 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 2261
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Just South of Ballard
     
Jan 23, 2015 16:09 |  #19

njstacker22 wrote in post #17396537 (external link)
The lens slowing me down is why I'm really scared of it. That and the fact that it's all manual focus. I shoot a lot of real-estate but most of my shoots are quick jobs (20 shots, 1 hr). There is no way I would be able to use this lens in my situation. If I moved into nicer listings ($700-800k+) I think it would be something to strongly consider. I shoot very nice listings now but I don't currently feel like it's enough to justify the money spent.

One day...

All the Canon TS lenses have focus confirmation. Using the shift to take care of keystoning, hand holding using manual focus with the focus confirmation is easy as pie. Even using the tilt function you can use focus confirmation by going from one outer point to another.


Would you like to buy a vowel?
Go ahead, spin the wheel.
flickr (external link)
I'm accross the canal just south of Ballard, the town Seattle usurped in 1907.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Alveric
Goldmember
Avatar
4,598 posts
Gallery: 38 photos
Likes: 1061
Joined Jan 2011
Location: Canada
     
Jan 23, 2015 16:13 |  #20
bannedPermanent ban

^^This.

I've even used the 24mm TS-E for events quite successfully.


'The success of the second-rate is deplorable in itself; but it is more deplorable in that it very often obscures the genuine masterpiece. If the crowd runs after the false, it must neglect the true.' —Arthur Machen
Why 'The Histogram' Sux (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
njstacker22
Senior Member
Avatar
703 posts
Gallery: 10 photos
Likes: 93
Joined Mar 2014
Location: Hamilton, NJ
     
Jan 23, 2015 16:40 |  #21

windpig wrote in post #17396725 (external link)
All the Canon TS lenses have focus confirmation. Using the shift to take care of keystoning, hand holding using manual focus with the focus confirmation is easy as pie. Even using the tilt function you can use focus confirmation by going from one outer point to another.

Thanks for that information. Definitely changes my thought process.


Sony A7ii [Sony FE 16-35mm f/4] [Sony FE 28-70mm] [Rokinon 135mm F2] [Sony 50mm 1.8]
https://www.flickr.com​/photos/djbigley/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
EKOEPP
Senior Member
Avatar
312 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 43
Joined Sep 2012
Location: Atlanta GA
     
Jan 25, 2015 10:27 as a reply to  @ post 17396537 |  #22

This tut explains everything in detail:

http://learn.usa.canon​.com …ift_laforet_gal​lery.shtml (external link)

Lens is great for tall verts using shift w seamless stitch


Canon MarkII 5D * Canon 70-200mm f/4L * Canon 17-40mm f/4L * Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II * Canon 50mm f/1.8 * Venus 60mm f/2.8 2x Ultra Macro

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rgs
Goldmember
Avatar
2,430 posts
Gallery: 176 photos
Likes: 1435
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Oklahoma City
     
Jan 25, 2015 23:40 |  #23

airfrogusmc wrote in post #17392735 (external link)
Want to slow down and really have control? Shoot architecture with one of these.
http://www.largeformat​photography.info …rff-8x10/deardorff012.jpg (external link)

You have tilt, shift, rise. fall on both the lens board and the film back giving you twice the perspective control you have with a T&S lens.

I've thought about finding a way to mount my digital on the back of the 4x5 - until I realized how much dust might be in that bellows. The camera in the photo seems to have center tilts rather than base tilts. Many of the wooden field cameras have only base tilts, especially on the back, so every tilt requires refocusing. Center tilts are better.

One thing you rarely find on a wooden 4x5 but do find on most monorails is rear focus. It's advantage is that image size doesn't change as you focus which is great for precise close-up work.

So much for the view camera. Makes me want to dig mine out but then I would have to unbury my darkroom to load holders and process film.


Canon 7d MkII, Canon 50D, Pentax 67, Canon 30D, Baker Custom 4x5, Canon EF 24-104mm f4, Canon EF 100mm f2.8 Macro, Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di VC

The Singular Image (external link)Richard Smith Photography (external link)
Richard Smith Real Estate Photography (external link)500PX (external link)
Fine Art America (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Wilt
Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1]
Avatar
46,425 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 4521
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Belmont, CA
Post edited over 8 years ago by Wilt. (3 edits in all)
     
Feb 03, 2015 10:15 |  #24

rgs wrote in post #17400446 (external link)
I've thought about finding a way to mount my digital on the back of the 4x5 - until I realized how much dust might be in that bellows. The camera in the photo seems to have center tilts rather than base tilts. Many of the wooden field cameras have only base tilts, especially on the back, so every tilt requires refocusing. Center tilts are better.

One thing you rarely find on a wooden 4x5 but do find on most monorails is rear focus. It's advantage is that image size doesn't change as you focus which is great for precise close-up work.

So much for the view camera. Makes me want to dig mine out but then I would have to unbury my darkroom to load holders and process film.

I have mounted my dSLR on my LF camera!

IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Equipment/IMG_2968s.jpg

A somewhat pointless exercise I found, because LF lenses are too long in FL to provide a reasonable angle of view on the tiny dSLR format...few LF lenses have <75mm FL, which is 'short tele' on FF dSLR. If you try to mount a dSLR lens on the LF frame, it does not have sufficient distance to the focal plane to permit any focus other than macro distances! And unfortunately my Bronica Medium Format lenses (the shortest of which is 40mm FL) which have a longer flange distance and might focus to longer distance, have leaf shutters with a very complex electromechanical mechanism to open the shutter for viewing!

So from the standpoint of tilt or shift movements, the LF camera is valueless with dSLR mounted. I should have thought this out more, before I expended the effort.

I love shifts with dSLR, using my OM 24mm shift lens with OM-EF adapter for my Canon dSLR to resolve converging vertical lines for architectural photos, but find little need for tilt movement with small formats (FF or APS-C).

(pictured on my Olympus body)
IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Equipment/OM35PCss.jpg

You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.p​hp
Canon dSLR system, Olympus OM 35mm system, Bronica ETRSi 645 system, Horseman LS 4x5 system, Metz flashes, Dynalite studio lighting, and too many accessories to mention

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rgs
Goldmember
Avatar
2,430 posts
Gallery: 176 photos
Likes: 1435
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Oklahoma City
     
Feb 03, 2015 10:44 |  #25

Wilt wrote in post #17413423 (external link)
I have mounted my dSLR on my LF frame!

QUOTED IMAGE

A somewhat pointless exercise I found, because LF lenses are too long in FL to provide a reasonable angle of view on the tiny dSLR format...few LF lenses have <75mm FL, which is 'short tele' on FF dSLR. If you try to mount a dSLR lens on the LF frame, it does not have sufficient distance to the focal plane to permit any focus other than macro distances! And unfortunately my Bronica Medium Format lenses (the shortest of which is 40mm FL) which have a longer flange distance and might focus to longer distance, have leaf shutters with a very complex electromechanical mechanism to open the shutter for viewing!

So from the standpoint of tilt or shift movements, the LF frame is valueless with dSLR.

I love shifts with dSLR, using my OM 24mm shift lens with OM-EF adapter for my Canon dSLR to resolve converging vertical lines for architectural photos, but find little need for tilt movement with small formats (FF or APS-C).

(pictured on my Olympus body)
QUOTED IMAGE

:-) Fun to see. I would like shifts but I have pretty much decided that focus stacking is a better option than tilts most of the time. Unless subject is moving or the wind blowing (and I live in Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plains:) )


Canon 7d MkII, Canon 50D, Pentax 67, Canon 30D, Baker Custom 4x5, Canon EF 24-104mm f4, Canon EF 100mm f2.8 Macro, Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di VC

The Singular Image (external link)Richard Smith Photography (external link)
Richard Smith Real Estate Photography (external link)500PX (external link)
Fine Art America (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bps
Cream of the Crop
7,607 posts
Likes: 406
Joined Mar 2007
Location: California
     
Feb 17, 2015 08:01 |  #26

When you first start using a Tilt Shift lens, things slow way down, but he more you use it, the faster and more confident you get. After awhile, it becomes second nature.

I absolutely love my 24 TS-E!

Bryan


My Gear List

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
StudioAbe
BAAAAAAN!!!
Avatar
1,939 posts
Gallery: 31 photos
Best ofs: 7
Likes: 1033
Joined Jul 2009
Location: Westchester County, NY
     
Feb 28, 2015 22:42 |  #27

bps wrote in post #17435724 (external link)
When you first start using a Tilt Shift lens, things slow way down, but he more you use it, the faster and more confident you get. After awhile, it becomes second nature.

I absolutely love my 24 TS-E!

Bryan

I second that. The most time consuming part of the setup for me is to level the camera. If that is not done correctly, no amount of tilt and shift would correct the converging verticals or the keystoning effect, the latter especially in frontal shots.



If it's in focus, it's pornography, if it's out of focus, it's art.
EOS R5 & 5DsR | + gear | StudioAbe (external link) | Facebook (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Luxury
Senior Member
Avatar
635 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 5
Joined Sep 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
     
Mar 02, 2015 23:32 as a reply to  @ StudioAbe's post |  #28

Hot Shoe Bubble Levels are pretty good at speeding up the levelling process!


Liam - A7r, Fuji x100, 450d and some other stuff. --- Flickr  (external link)--- http://liamgee.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhilF
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,737 posts
Likes: 608
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Valencia, CA
     
Mar 24, 2015 02:31 |  #29

I love my Tilt-Shift lens. Rekindled my love for architecture again.


http://philfernandezph​otography.com (external link)
http://www.philfashion​photography.com (external link)
https://www.instagram.​com/philfernimagery/ (external link)
https://www.facebook.c​om/philfphotography (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Nick5
Goldmember
Avatar
3,385 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 409
Joined Mar 2007
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
     
Apr 08, 2015 09:15 |  #30

Slowing things down with a Tilt-Shift is wonderful. Patience is key. Learning the workflow was enjoyable.
The images are stunning.
Bought the TS-E 24 L last spring. One of my best purchases.


Canon 5D Mark III (x2), BG-E11 Grips, 7D (x2) BG-E7 Grips, Canon Lenses 16-35 f/4 L IS, 17-40 f/4 L, 24-70 f/4 L IS, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, 70-200 f/4 L IS, 70-200 f/4 L IS Version II, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 L IS Version II, TS-E 24 f/3.5 L II, 100 f/2.8 L Macro IS, 10-22 f3.5-4.5, 17-55 f/2.8 L IS, 85 f/1.8, Canon 1.4 Extender III, 5 Canon 600 EX-RT, 2 Canon ST-E3 Transmitters, Canon PRO-300 Printer

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

24,929 views & 11 likes for this thread, 25 members have posted to it and it is followed by 16 members.
Tilt-Shift theory
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Architecture, Real-Estate & Buildings 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Marcsaa
1129 guests, 119 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.