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Feb 04, 2015 15:46 |  #1

I'm not a pro so all of my gear is just hobbyist gear with no real long term monetary value, only fun-value.
Lately I've been thinking I don't need all my L glass, and would rather spend that money on vacations and trips.

Has anyone downgraded their gear and regretted it?

Currently I have 3 L primes and 2 L zooms. The zooms are irreplaceable to me (16-35 F4, 70-300L) since they are relatively affordable and offers prime-level sharpness (which I sort of demand). The 3 primes however, I'm having trouble letting go. 24L, 50L, 135L can all be replaced with my old kit of 28 1.8, 50 1.4, and 100 f2.

I just don't want to downgrade and eventually buy it all back again, I've done this far too many times, lol.

One of my favorite 24L shots, love this thing:

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Feb 04, 2015 15:47 |  #2

Curious what body you are using




  
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Feb 04, 2015 15:51 |  #3

I use a 6D. I wouldn't part with it, more an issue of glass.




  
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Feb 04, 2015 15:53 |  #4

I "downgraded" from a 35L to a Sigma 35A to a Canon 35 F2 IS.

I do not regret the decision as, to me, the 35 F2 is probably the best of the three for me.

Giving up a stop to gain three stops of IS is always tough to swallow but it also gives better usage in video. Of course it doesn't hurt that its half the cost.

In a way I also "downgraded" from a 17-55mm F2.8 to a 24-70 F4 IS on full frame. However, the 24-70 is very sharp and the size and weight difference is noticeable and welcome.

Other than that I've pretty much stuck with my kit. If I had to lose any lens it'd probably be the 70-300L. I love it...its a great lens...but I'm not much of a telephoto guy but when I do get to bust it out its a really nice lens.


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Feb 04, 2015 15:55 |  #5

Sdiver2489 wrote in post #17415413 (external link)
I "downgraded" from a 35L to a Sigma 35A to a Canon 35 F2 IS.

I do not regret the decision as, to me, the 35 F2 is probably the best of the three for me.

Giving up a stop to gain three stops of IS is always tough to swallow but it also gives better usage in video. Of course it doesn't hurt that its half the cost.

In a way I also "downgraded" from a 17-55mm F2.8 to a 24-70 F4 IS on full frame. However, the 24-70 is very sharp and the size and weight difference is noticeable and welcome.

Other than that I've pretty much stuck with my kit. If I had to lose any lens it'd probably be the 70-300L. I love it...its a great lens...but I'm not much of a telephoto guy but when I do get to bust it out its a really nice lens.

Yeahh I hear you, I had the 70-300L, sold it because I didn't use it often, then missed it and bought it back again. Luckily I didn't lose any money over it. It's one of those lenses that isn't used often for me, but when I do, it's great. But definitely when we're dealing with one or two stops difference, sometimes the price difference isn't quite worth it. But there are other qualities that stops don't account for, such as feel and other IQ parameters.

I've used the 35 f2 IS and would definitely use that over the 35L as well. The other primes I have don't quite have the same parallels however.




  
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Feb 04, 2015 16:08 |  #6

Firstly, what glass did you take on your last trip?
If you took and enjoy those primes you may regret downgrading.
Also calculate how much you would net from sell all three.
And decide if you would but those USM primes for just take the zoom combo on your trips.

Once you know your cash in pocket-saving you can decide how much traveling that truly buys.

For myself I have less lenses than you, just my signature. I take them everywhere but to work.
Mostly in my car, unless I take a trip specifically to shoot by they are available if I find something interesting.
Now that I have my set I would not sell them for other lenses.
I would employ the popular "eat ramen noodles until I buy my L lens" strategy
Except using the money for a vacation trip instead.
Last summer I travel to Osaka, Japan and the summer before that I spent a week in Kyoto, Japan.
My lenses got a lot of use and great photos on both trips, that more than paid for their cost to me.


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Feb 04, 2015 16:09 |  #7

Heya,

I've gone backwards on glass & body, and I have no regrets. I have a mix of old and new stuff. L quality is great, and full frame is great, but sometimes, it's just overkill depending on needs. If I'm on vacation, I don't care to drag out the biggest camera I have and the biggest heaviest lenses. I'd rather enjoy the trip and use something else for photos that is easier to lug around and less costly if I drop it or lose it or anything. So even though I have too many cameras now (1D2, 5Dc, 40D, 450D, 650D, EOS-M) I actually use them all for different things. And for glass, I have things ranging from 30+ year old vintage primes that I use more than anything else on my day-to-day shooting, to L glass (primes in my case). I have gone different directions as I've found L glass sometimes to be worth it (like my MKI 200 F2.8L prime) and irreplaceable for cost (nothing cheaper does this, I got it for $250 because it's a MKI but it's still fine glass and fast AF). Instead of 35L or 35A, I use an EF 35 F2 IS. I find it to be good enough for a 4th of the cost for my needs. I do a lot of context portrait and landscape with it, and events, so I don't need it to be F1.4, and that's the only advantage (for me) that they have (the L's optics are not legendary, the ART however does have awesome optics, but it's more than my needs require so I don't need a $1k lens for slightly better optics). As for other glass, I went to manual glass that is optically very good, instead of using expensive L primes with AF, or third party alternatives. Namely stuff by Samyang, like the 85 F1.4 and the 24 F1.4. They are either comparable, or better (the 24 F1.4 in this case) than their costly alternatives. I don't need the AF for portrait or landscape, so manual focus is fine for me. The 85 F1.4 by Samyang performs between the 85 F1.8 and the 85L, about on par to my eyes as the Sigma 85 F1.4, but for only $250. So that lens is optically great, very sharp wide open, and inexpensive. The Samyang 24 F1.4 is better than the 24L in most ways (sharpness, corner sharpness, coma, etc), other than it lacks AF. But again, I'm ok with manual, so $500 instead of $1200+ works for me. Anyhow, you get the idea. I actually prefer some older glass to modern glass for general stuff because they're sharp and look great, without the cost. Again, mostly manual, but I'm ok with that, as I'm proficient with manual focus anyways (using precision matte screens). I shoot more with an old Helios 44-2 and Takumar 50 F1.4, and I have no care in the world for a 50L, 50A, etc. These do that for me, plus have either unique bokeh, or cost nothing and still produce very good images, so I'm less concerned with the optical performance being at it's peak.

For bodies, instead of going for a 7D, 7D2, 5D3, etc, I instead started using an old 1D MKII. It's only 8MP for it's files. But I'm not printing massive prints, and I use it for wildlife and action. So I find I don't need high resolution, these can be printed around 8x10 just fine anyways, so I'm more than ok with that. Instead, I paid peanuts ($289) for an autofocus monster with decent ISO performance. It's just old and lower resolution, but again, depending on the final media you're using these files for, it may not matter. My wildlife/action is mostly web share, no big prints, so I don't care about the resolution being huge. This is just an example of stepping back and looking at actual need of features. I needed AF muscle and speed, and the 1D series gives me that for cheap, on the older models.

As for my travel stuff, I don't bother with SLR at all at this point. I used to. But now, I'm more content with my EOS-M & 22F2 pancake. Small. Sharp. Decent in low light. Big sensor for size of setup (APS-C) and high resolution. I take this with me when I'm "out" and on vacation, because it's just simpler, less worry if I bust it, or lose it, or stolen, yet still takes SLR quality type images, and I still have F2 for isolation if I want that.

Again it's all about features.

The 50L, if it were not F1.2, would it be special to you at all? Or would any 50 F1.4 basically do what it does?
The 135L has it's own magical look. But is it really vastly different from the 100 F2 or an 85 F1.4 for YOUR needs? Maybe not. That's up to you to figure out.
As for the 24L, there's not a lot of alternative, if you want fast 24mm. 24mm F2.8 is fine. But I wouldn't want to lose F1.4 as an option if possible, but this is why I like manual (Samyang 24 F1.4). But if you love that lens, keep it. Especially if you actually use it.

Finally, if you're not using it, who cares about the regret? Most lenses have value that can be sold for near no loss and re-acquired later if you have a change of heart/need, like the 135L. That lens is traded/sold/bought more than anything else I've seen probably, short of a 70-200 of any flavor.

Lastly, try out alternative lenses. See for yourself. See if you can live with them instead of the L's. If you can, you know you're answer. EF 28 F1.8, EF 35 F2 IS, Sigma 50 F1.4 (non-ART), EF 100 F2 or Sigma 85 F1.4. Assuming you require AF at all times. If you threw an EG-S screen into your 6D, and were proficient with manual focus, you could get really great glass for cheap too (24 F1.4, 50 F1.4, 85 F1.4, 135 F2.. fully manual).

Personally I'd take more trips and see more stuff, than worry about glass that isn't used much on a shelf!

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jmai86 wrote in post #17415401 (external link)
I'm not a pro so all of my gear is just hobbyist gear with no real long term monetary value, only fun-value.
Lately I've been thinking I don't need all my L glass, and would rather spend that money on vacations and trips.

Has anyone downgraded their gear and regretted it?

Currently I have 3 L primes and 2 L zooms. The zooms are irreplaceable to me (16-35 F4, 70-300L) since they are relatively affordable and offers prime-level sharpness (which I sort of demand). The 3 primes however, I'm having trouble letting go. 24L, 50L, 135L can all be replaced with my old kit of 28 1.8, 50 1.4, and 100 f2.

I just don't want to downgrade and eventually buy it all back again, I've done this far too many times, lol.

One of my favorite 24L shots, love this thing:

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We must be related. I have 2 L-zooms: 17-40 and 100-400L. For convenience, I'll probably keep them both. I had L-primes several years ago and decided they are not worth the cost. My current full frame line up is: Σ15FE, Rok 14, 28 1.8, 35IS, 50 1.4, and 100 2. Body is 6D. I'd love a 24L II, but can't justify the cost; the 28 1.8 will do. I have no desire for a 24-xxx zoom. I am happy with that.


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Feb 04, 2015 22:12 |  #9

jmai86 wrote in post #17415411 (external link)
I use a 6D. I wouldn't part with it, more an issue of glass.

I wouldn't suggest such a thing. I was curious about the body for its ability to handle lower light if you went to narrower aperture lenses. Looks like you are set in that department!




  
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Feb 05, 2015 15:55 |  #10

If what you have is working for what you need, then no need to upgrade or buying new stuff.
Unless you are looking to get into macro or architectural shots, and want/need a specific lens, them you can indeed consider funding the new purchase by selling some lenses.

If you figure that you have too many duplicates, and not getting used, then sell the cheaper stuff, and keep the quality lenses.

Otherwise seat pretty, and just save some money cutting expenses elsewhere.


The zooms are great for walk-around and vacations; the primes will let you be a more creative and challenged with composition - so sell your old kit, and get a flash, tripod or dedicated bag, if you don't have neither already


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Feb 05, 2015 17:06 |  #11

upgraded and then downgraded from a 50 1.4 to a 50 1.2 back down to the 1.4 once again. The 1.4 was a little more gritty which I liked while the 1.2 seemed a little too vibrant and creamy for my tastes. As for the rest of my lenses I prefer the L lenses for the build quality alone. If I had a cheaper alternative that gave me the similar performance I would still go L just because I know what I'm getting 100% of the time and when it come to resale canon lenses are without compare and hold their value better than anything else out there.


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