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Removing Arca Swiss quick release

 
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Feb 05, 2015 23:21 |  #1

Has anyone removed one of the new glued Arca Swiss quick locks? What did you do? Torch? Impact gun? Put it in a vise and use a breaker bar?
I want to add a RRS panning flip lock.


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Feb 06, 2015 08:13 |  #2

battletone wrote in post #17417690 (external link)
Has anyone removed one of the new glued Arca Swiss quick locks?

Probably not if it's a new ballhead. For some time now the Arca-Swiss policy has been if you (the user) attempt to remove the Arca-Swiss clamp from their ballhead your warranty is invalidated.

You need to contact Precision Camera Works (external link) which is the authorized US repair facility for Arca-Swiss products in the US. They will ask you to send the head and the RRS lever release clamp, swap the two clamps, and your warranty will be OK.

Call 847-470-3350 or email Bob Watkins at help@precisioncamerawo​rks.com.


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Feb 06, 2015 10:01 |  #3

battletone wrote in post #17417690 (external link)
Has anyone removed one of the new glued Arca Swiss quick locks? What did you do? Torch? Impact gun? Put it in a vise and use a breaker bar?
I want to add a RRS panning flip lock.

Peter's, answer was spot on.
Bob does a great job and your warranty remains.
Be well, and enjoy your tripod head.
Rod Klukas


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Arca-Swiss Int.

  
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Feb 06, 2015 18:20 |  #4

Okay so this is a brand new Z1 with the newer dual step flip lock clamp. That wasn't hard at all to get the screw released. It's a small drop of glue. Doesn't even make it around one thread revolution if you look at the picture. After reading online I was expecting a challenge. So not that.

I put the clamp in a vice with a microfiber cloth to protect it, and used a 3mm hex key with a 13mm box wrench for leverage to crack it loose. Took hardly any effort at all like this.

I am fine without a warranty. Bring on my Really Right Stuff panning with flip lock.
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Feb 06, 2015 19:41 |  #5

Well it looks like you are lucky, you must have got a NOS (new old stock) Z1. Just make sure when the RRS clamp arrives that the M6 screw protrudes <=14mm from its base, see this reference. The screw on my RRS clamp met this requirement when I installed it a few years ago.


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Feb 06, 2015 22:11 |  #6

peter_n wrote in post #17419292 (external link)
Well it looks like you are lucky, you must have got a NOS (new old stock) Z1. Just make sure when the RRS clamp arrives that the M6 screw protrudes <=14mm from its base, see this reference. The screw on my RRS clamp met this requirement when I installed it a few years ago.

...or maybe they are easing up on the super glue due to customer complaints? I find it hard to image a place like B&H had NOS z1 heads at this point with the sheer volume of inventory they move, but who knows. It's been about 2 years since they started making "non-serviceable".
Either way, I called RRS and it sounds like they send multiple screws (3 if I was following correctly) so one is an M6 for use with Arca heads.


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Feb 07, 2015 10:04 |  #7

battletone wrote in post #17419522 (external link)
I find it hard to image a place like B&H had NOS z1 heads at this point with the sheer volume of inventory they move, but who knows.

I agree, unless it came to them from another retailer who couldn't move it.

The Z1 is the best ballhead I've used, but I find the attitude of Arca-Swiss about this problem difficult to take. If companies like Markins and RRS can sell ballheads without clamps then Arca-Swiss should swallow their pride and do the same. All it takes is a piece of paper in the box that explains the requirements for a 3rd party clamp.


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Feb 07, 2015 22:32 |  #8

peter_n wrote in post #17420106 (external link)
I agree, unless it came to them from another retailer who couldn't move it.

The Z1 is the best ballhead I've used, but I find the attitude of Arca-Swiss about this problem difficult to take. If companies like Markins and RRS can sell ballheads without clamps then Arca-Swiss should swallow their pride and do the same. All it takes is a piece of paper in the box that explains the requirements for a 3rd party clamp.

Ya, but it's clearly more about competition I think than incompetence from end users. No different than what Apple does in many ways. But it took about 2 minutes with the Z1 to figure out I have been missing so much over the years with my pan and tilt head. This was worth every penny.


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Feb 08, 2015 09:27 |  #9

battletone wrote in post #17421067 (external link)
Ya, but it's clearly more about competition I think than incompetence from end users. No different than what Apple does in many ways.

They did it because they got fed up repairing ballheads that had their innards damaged from botched installs of 3rd party clamps. Apparently they honored the "warranty" claims for a number of years but finally put their foot down. This came from an Arca-Swiss rep at a photo expo in NYC.

Yes they don't like RRS but they're resigned to the situation in the US. The same rep also told me that RRS was able to use their dovetail design because of a loophole in the Arca-Swiss patent application. They're probably not using the same lawyers these days.


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