New EOS M3 - finally o.k.?

Finally an interesting body to the M-System?

http://cpn.canon-europe.com …product/cameras​/eos_m3.do

JonKline wrote in post #17400065
If you're going to want to to anything to the footage, including editing, correcting color, etc., it's best to leave it in the native DV codec. The bitrate is actually a quite reasonable 25 Mbps. Considering that even basic DSLR video recording is twice that bitrate, you shouldn't be filling up your drives too quickly.

If you're done with it, an h.264 file around 4Mbps will give you great results for uploading, or playing on set-top boxes. But you have to go through the trouble of converting it and then deleting the original.

According to the ad, it fixes one problem (slow AF with EF-M lenses)

Still,

- no EVF
- no tilting LCD
- no built in bounce-able flash (a must for portrait shooters, especially in harsh / contrasty / backlit light). Carrying a flash with you kills the main advantage of a portable camera. The GN6 flash on my Nex is extremely useful for 90% of situations.
- no word on focusing speed with EF lenses.

A step in the right direction, definitely. But just one step.

The screen looks pretty tiltable to me

http://cdn.pocket-lint.com …sets/images/php​ehnozk.jpg

It's not available in America though, bit like the M2 was Japan only.
Testing the water... ?

And this photo might hint at an addon EVF

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com …le/3380414/DSCF​1049.0.jpg

You can bounce the flash too.
http://4.static.img-dpreview.com …623/canonm3hand​son12.jpeg

Amamba is 1 for 4. (Maybe 1.5 since the EVF is an add-on accessory.)

The new 5d isn't for me but this one has me excited. Tilt screen, bounce flash, wifi, fast af, focus peeking for manual focus. I bet the price won't be too bad around Christmas time. Can't wait.

Calzor Suzay wrote in post #17418014
It's not available in America though, bit like the M2 was Japan only.
Testing the water... ?

I hope they'll eventually release it in the US.

I am happy to be wrong

I love my EVF on Nex but if Canon comes up with decent and reasonably priced lenses for EF-M I'd be very tempted to switch back. After all, this is the main advantage of Canon based system - lenses.

DGStinner wrote in post #17418144
I hope they'll eventually release it in the US.

I suspect they don't want to cut into the North American Rebel market. So it's more of "sell it where it makes marketing sense".

If they do, I'd be very tempted to switch back - given that (a) the AF lives up to it's claim (i.e. is at least as good as Sony A6000), and (b) they come up with a good lens system. The four lenses available for EF-M are by all accounts very good and reasonably priced, but it needs a few more to make a "switcheable" system for me (a couple of fast stabilized primes in the 30-50mm range for starters, plus a fast and compact walkabout zoom - can be constant f4 as long as it's portable, has very good IQ and is priced below $600).

Right now, it seems to be playing catch-up to Sony A6000, it needs more lenses that are better and more competitively priced than Sony's to gain the upper hand. This is something Canon, of all camera brands, should be able to do if they wanted to. The next year or two will show us how serious they are about mirrorless. M3 is definitely a huge step in the right direction.

I was all set to buy the new EOS M ... But canon decided not to include dual pixel sensor! Dual pixel af is a game changing technology for mirrorless cameras and canon left it out of their latest eos m ... Bizarre

I just so happen to traveling to Japan in April, and will be buying one, and possibly another for a friend.

Very excited, it looks great. It's a 6D companion for me, so in that regard it's fantastic. But if you're looking to switch, other systems may be better.

I also think it's great even with only the 22mm. You get a nice, compact 35mm equivelent camera that's cheaper than an X100s/t.

What is the price for it? It doesn't look very interesting to me. But, if it is cheap enough (like when the M dropped to $300) it might be viable. Not sure what cheap enough is yet though, maybe $400-$450?

What I'm really waiting for is a Canon version of the a7r.

If it is ever available in States, I'd expect the price to be around $700 or so. The current M prices are a fire sale.

If I wanted a FF camera, I'd get an A7x already - Sony's FE lenses are actually very decent.

I however want great inexpensive APS-C lenses on a great APS-C body...

It addresses most of my concerns about the M: better AF (although I would've rather seen a DP sensor), better ergonomics and physical controls, screen, flash, all that I really wanted that isn't there is a built-in EVF.