accidental shots are great aren't they?
jngo Senior Member 526 posts Joined Sep 2005 Location: Golden State More info | Feb 27, 2006 14:44 | #16 accidental shots are great aren't they?
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MiG82 Senior Member 319 posts Joined Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia More info | How about the fact that the water drop is a non rigid free body? It is a mode of vibration (hence the steady period) due to the exchange of energy between surface tension and kinetic energy Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a few hours you realise that he likes it.
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Matatazela Senior Member More info | Feb 28, 2006 08:26 | #18 The miniscus of the droplet - that is the 'skin' of water held together by the cohesion of the water molecules - is altering shape harmonically, ie stretching into a shape that diffracts light to the camera lens in a rhythmic manner. Think of it as a very thin balloon, changing shape because of the momentum of water inside it...
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rdsmith3 Senior Member 690 posts Likes: 10 Joined Feb 2006 Location: Flanders, NJ More info | I am new here, and just a beginner, but I humbly suggest that the branch and the drop image are related. Bob Gear List
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lorandh Member 55 posts Joined Feb 2006 Location: Kitchener, Canada More info | MiG82 wrote: How about the fact that the water drop is a non rigid free body? It is a mode of vibration (hence the steady period) due to the exchange of energy between surface tension and kinetic energy When the drop jumps out of the water it is stretched out. Surface tension tries to pull it into a sphere (least surface area) and in the process gives the back of the drop a velocity relative to the front. Then it overshoots the spherical shape and goes flatish. Again the surface tension tries to pull it into a sphere. But it overshoots... and so on. So the changing shape is reflecting sunlight at regular intervals. If the drop's journey lasted longer the motion would eventually dampen out. It's a very common sort of phenomenon, but capturing it like this is very special. Nature and physics at its best (well, pretty good anyway). It's a nice change to see an interesting topic. Good explanation MiG82, I think you may be right. I initially thought that there could be a continuous stream of droplets being deflected by that branch, like someone else mentioned, but then if you look at the 'pattern' the gaps between the droplets increase as it's falling down due to gravity, the push/pull force you mentioned, etc. Now I'm not even close to having a physics major, but if there were more than just one droplet wouldn't the pattern stay constant throughtout the frame?
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Jon Cream of the Crop 69,628 posts Likes: 227 Joined Jun 2004 Location: Bethesda, MD USA More info | MiG82 wrote: How about the fact that the water drop is a non rigid free body? It is a mode of vibration (hence the steady period) due to the exchange of energy between surface tension and kinetic energy When the drop jumps out of the water it is stretched out. Surface tension tries to pull it into a sphere (least surface area) and in the process gives the back of the drop a velocity relative to the front. Then it overshoots the spherical shape and goes flatish. Again the surface tension tries to pull it into a sphere. But it overshoots... and so on. So the changing shape is reflecting sunlight at regular intervals. If the drop's journey lasted longer the motion would eventually dampen out. It's a very common sort of phenomenon, but capturing it like this is very special. Nature and physics at its best (well, pretty good anyway). It's a nice change to see an interesting topic. Even if there's a periodic shape change, which would imply that surface tension was a stronger force than the basic acceleration of the droplet(s), it wouldn't cause the water droplet to cease reflecting light; at best there'd be a diminution of the light, rather than a series of discrete "pulses". Jon
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adas Goldmember 1,496 posts Likes: 5 Joined Aug 2004 More info | Totally agree with MiG82. lorandh wrote: ...but then if you look at the 'pattern' the gaps between the droplets increase as it's falling down due to gravity, the push/pull force you mentioned, etc. Now I'm not even close to having a physics major, but if there were more than just one droplet wouldn't the pattern stay constant throughtout the frame? You partially answered your question. The droplet speed keeps rising due to gravity, starting from the top of that curved path. So the distance between the "flashes" would grow too. 6D, 20D, G7X
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Thanks all for your explanations and hypothesis. Jose
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davidfig we over look the simplest things 3,275 posts Likes: 85 Joined May 2005 Location: Fremont, California USA More info | Feb 28, 2006 17:04 | #24 Neat accident, jose. Bet cha can't do it again. It will be different even if you can get close. 5D | 17-40L | Tammy 28-75 2.8 | 28-135 | 50/1.8 | 85/1.8 | Sony A6000 2-Lens Kit | SEL35 1.8 | EF 50 1.8 on NEX as my 75mm 1.8
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PacAce Cream of the Crop 26,900 posts Likes: 40 Joined Feb 2003 Location: Keystone State, USA More info | Jon wrote: Even if there's a periodic shape change, which would imply that surface tension was a stronger force than the basic acceleration of the droplet(s), it wouldn't cause the water droplet to cease reflecting light; at best there'd be a diminution of the light, rather than a series of discrete "pulses". Very true, Jon. And it also doesn't explain the "multiple exposures" of the branch either. I'm sure the branch isn't fluctuating in shape from its surface tension. ...Leo
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MiG82 Senior Member 319 posts Joined Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia More info | Jon wrote: Even if there's a periodic shape change, which would imply that surface tension was a stronger force than the basic acceleration of the droplet(s), it wouldn't cause the water droplet to cease reflecting light; at best there'd be a diminution of the light, rather than a series of discrete "pulses". No. The gravity has no effect on the shape because it acts on every molecule equally. The effect of gravity is to have every molecule follow a parabolic path. The effect of surface tension and small scale momentum are superimposed on this motion. Matatazela wrote: ...shape that diffracts light to the camera lens... It would be total internal reflection at work rather than diffraction (which is very different to reflection and refraction). Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a few hours you realise that he likes it.
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ConradB Member 40 posts Joined Aug 2005 Location: Australia More info | Hey there.... Just took this photo with my 20D and found the same thing. Canon 20D
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_SBradley_ Senior Member 252 posts Joined Sep 2005 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK More info | ConradB wrote: Hey there.... Just took this photo with my 20D and found the same thing. Please could you post a 100% crop of that section for us to see?
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_SBradley_ wrote: Please could you post a 100% crop of that section for us to see? ![]() Yes, and also the exif data if possible. Jose
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ConradB Member 40 posts Joined Aug 2005 Location: Australia More info | _SBradley_ wrote: Please could you post a 100% crop of that section for us to see? ![]() The full picture and exif are here Canon 20D
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