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Feb 10, 2015 16:28 |  #1

Made it back to the showjumping which thankfully had some better lighting this time! Though the backgrounds are still a nightmare. Sadly if I want to shoot low with horses coming at me its nearly impossible to get a good angle without a distracting background (might try getting out into the ring next time - there is a chance that might work - but depends on the positions on offer). The balcony still offers the better angles for potentially less distractions; but at the same time its an above angle shot I'm not really after.

That aside things went better; I suspect the light helping the AF along as well. Got more well timed shots; still not 100% on the mark for the "moment" but getting a lot more sharper shots in-focus than before.

Cropping and composition is still a pain, I feel like I'm cropping too much, yet when shooting I feel like I've really not got the room to spare in the frame, coupled with the AF points being nearer the middle of the viewfinder. I also find because a horse is so long if I try to use an AF point so that the head of the horse is "over" the middle and advancing into the corner the shot feels wrong; whilst if I compose with the horses head closer to the middle AF point (up one though not dead centre) then it leaves me more moving room but less horse.

So technically doing ok - compositionally and background wise need improvement (though I accept that backgrounds are a pain here indoors to some extent).

Any comments/crits/advice always welcome.

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One from the balcony - background is somewhat cleaner, however whilst its a nice-ish angle I still prefer to get more a sense of the size of the horse by being a bit lower.


All taken on a Canon 7D and Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS L MII
f2.8, 1/640sec, various ISOs (between 1600 and 6400)

Note part way through I changed the sensitivity of the resampling on the AF to a higher level of sensitivity. My thinking is if the horse is coming right at me I need the camera resampling and detecting every single change to keep up. I've not really focused on checking if I got improved results (and honestly it wouldn't be a very scientific test); but to my thinking it should help
I also experimented with auto ISO (since my aperture and shutter speed are pretty well fixed) that said it didn't really work out for me, I honestly want the ability to have exposure compensation in manual mode for the first time so that I could have the camera get the exposure I want (about the only time I don't want a little "over" what the meter says is when its a white furred horse running - in fact I tend to jump up to f3.2 for white furred horses just to take the edge off the exposure and stop their fur blowing out)

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Feb 10, 2015 17:00 |  #2

I like them all - the last one not as much as the others but still nice. There isn't much you can do about the backgrounds especially shooting at 2.8. Good work, keep it up.


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Feb 10, 2015 17:05 |  #3

They all look good. The only thing that bothers me is the rider's eyes are closed in #2.




  
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Feb 10, 2015 17:20 |  #4

My thanks both :)

Dave - yeah riders are a tricky bit, eyes closed is modest, some make really odd faces as they leap over a jump (othertimes their heads get lost ducking behind the horses neck)


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Feb 10, 2015 21:56 |  #5

#4 is awesome... Powerful animal... Focused rider.. Great job!!!

Have you tried any other crops wi that one?

Can you share the the custom function settings? Focus tracking.


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Feb 11, 2015 14:30 |  #6

My thanks Red - it was one of the last shots of the day as the light was getting dimmer, but nicely there was a streak of sunlight on that jump from the main door which gave it a nicer colour.

I've messed around with crops but with two focus points (rider and horse) I'm never any good with them on horses. I do find that when I shoot this I tend up shooting wider than I need and cropping a good few shots. I think its a reaction to the fact that a jumping horse and rider has a lot of vertical and horizontal motion so I end up not using hte outer AF points much as I find its too risky (so easy to end up missing the head of one or the nose of another or just ending up all horse going forward with no space to move into in the frame)
I have got a 120-300mm f2.8 that does very well in this, but its a lot heavier. The 70-200mm f2.8 I can use all day and not suffer too badly, the sigma though I've got to break out a monopod or my arm wants to fall off.


Settings wise I'm not 100% fixed yet but for most of these I used;
C.FnIII Autofocus/Drive AI Servo tracking sensitivity - FAST
Actually I shot the first half on normal and then switched over to fast (I remembered it existed). Not sure if its made a big help, but logic to my mind is a horse coming right at you is moving fast; so resampling often is a bonus.

All AF points displayed

All AF focus area select modes enabled
(I like to have all the features on)

Manual select spot AF mode
This is probably a hang-over from going to the zoo and leaving it on. Single AF point as opposed to spot AF should work just as well for this kind of shoot (actually it might work better in darker conditions since its got a bigger sampling area but I've not really tested ether side by side to see if one beats the other fully)


Otherwise my settings are at default.
Orientation linked AF point I tried messing with but found annoying. Sometimes you've got two jumps that you can jump between portrait and landscape; but other times I find that one ends up wanting to shift the AF point a little. Really the best solution is a little dial on the battery grip and I wish Canon gave us one for the 7D as the single one is far too far away when using portrait aspect with a grip

AI Servo 1st/2nd image tracking policy and AF tracking methods I've not messed with really yet.


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