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Feb 15, 2015 11:12 |  #1

hi
i'm looking for a good film gran scanned

in the past i did by myself , i tried to scan TMAX_100,TMAX_400,TRIX​_320,TriX_400


do you know where can i download film with true grain ?

i tried the nik plugins , power retouche , never get good results

maybe free ....


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Feb 15, 2015 13:31 |  #2

mantra wrote in post #17432774 (external link)
hi
i'm looking for a good film gran scanned

in the past i did by myself , i tried to scan TMAX_100,TMAX_400,TRIX​_320,TriX_400


do you know where can i download film with true grain ?

i tried the nik plugins , power retouche , never get good results

maybe free ....


thanks

I'm not quite sure what you are asking for. Are you trying to add film-like grain to a digital image or are you looking to scan a film image and eliminate grain?


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Feb 16, 2015 00:44 |  #3

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I'm not quite sure what you are asking for. Are you trying to add film-like grain to a digital image or are you looking to scan a film image and eliminate grain?

hi
i'm tring to add film grain to my black and white
and i used several plugins and photoshop to add grain to my black and white photos
i tried to add in photoshop a layer , softlight ->18% gray + filter ->add noice (monocromatic+gaussian​)

but i really would love to have a true grain film scanned photo to use


photo + scanned grain film (blend softlight)


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Feb 16, 2015 01:11 as a reply to  @ mantra's post |  #4

Okay, I understand now. I don't know but I would think that a generic, one size fits all, scan of a piece of film would not have the realistic grain patterns matching your image, for each image. Maybe it would work with the right blending mode or if it were brushed on, but I've never tried it.

HERE IS A LINK (external link) for software(DXO FilmPack) that you can try for free to see if you like it. It is a stand alone program not a plugin for PS(AFAIK).


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I don't know but I would think that a generic, one size fits all, scan of a piece of film would not have the realistic grain patterns matching your image, for each image.

A number of software solutions wrongly assume how grain occurs in film! They apply a 'grain texture' uniformly across the image. But if you look closely at real film images under great magnification, you realize that the 'grain density' as well as 'grain size' both decrease in lighter areas of the print, and both increase significantly in darker areas of the print. So a single uniform distribution (density) and single uniform 'grain' size does NOT truly mimic film grain!

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Feb 18, 2015 21:33 |  #6

Petteri's Grain for Digital Black and White (external link)
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Feb 19, 2015 13:56 as a reply to  @ rrblint's post |  #7

You can run DXO FilmPack as a PS plug-in, or you can call the stand-alone application from LR or any other converter that has external editing workflow.

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Feb 19, 2015 14:10 |  #8

Here are a couple of 100% crops of a 5D3 image with DXO Film Pack 5 applied, using the default for Kodak Tri-X 400.

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Wilt wrote in post #17438234 (external link)
A number of software solutions wrongly assume how grain occurs in film! They apply a 'grain texture' uniformly across the image. But if you look closely at real film images under great magnification, you realize that the 'grain density' as well as 'grain size' both decrease in lighter areas of the print, and both increase significantly in darker areas of the print. So a single uniform distribution (density) and single uniform 'grain' size does NOT truly mimic film grain!

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Yes Wilt, exactly. After many years of looking at film images under an enlarger with a grain magnifier I knew that this was the case and that was what I was trying to say. Thanks for saying it better.:-D


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You can run DXO FilmPack as a PS plug-in, or you can call the stand-alone application from LR or any other converter that has external editing workflow.

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Thanks Kirk. I wasn't aware of that. It is now duly noted for future reference.:-)


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Here are a couple of 100% crops of a 5D3 image with DXO Film Pack 5 applied, using the default for Kodak Tri-X 400.

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Gawd how I detest the absolutely uniform and therefore totally artificial appearance of the digitally added grain, particularly as seen in the shot of the Colorchecker!!!


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Feb 19, 2015 20:21 |  #11

Wilt wrote in post #17439475 (external link)
Gawd how I detest the absolutely uniform and therefore totally artificial appearance of the digitally added grain, particularly as seen in the shot of the Colorchecker!!!


You're not alone.

And to think that I used to go out of my way to avoid grainy photos !




  
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Feb 19, 2015 22:00 |  #12

Wilt wrote in post #17438234 (external link)
A number of software solutions wrongly assume how grain occurs in film! They apply a 'grain texture' uniformly across the image. But if you look closely at real film images under great magnification, you realize that the 'grain density' as well as 'grain size' both decrease in lighter areas of the print, and both increase significantly in darker areas of the print. So a single uniform distribution (density) and single uniform 'grain' size does NOT truly mimic film grain!

True. Here's an extreme example using 2475 Recording Film printed on Agfa #6:

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Feb 20, 2015 08:44 |  #13

Wilt wrote in post #17439475 (external link)
Gawd how I detest the absolutely uniform and therefore totally artificial appearance of the digitally added grain, particularly as seen in the shot of the Colorchecker!!!

In this low-contrast image rendering it is not surprising. There are no highlights or shadows in those crops. One can boost the contrast and mask the grain with an inverted luminosity mask to amplify the effect if you want.

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