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Is 35mm wide enough for Europe?

 
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Feb 21, 2015 00:37 |  #31
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keo739 wrote in post #17441750 (external link)
I'm happy owner of 24mm L 1,4 1 seriesCanon from a week and was considering to buy either 35mm or 50mm Canon L but get a good deal with this.
After that i get a 85 L canon 1,2 1 series and with 2 bodies im really happy .. i can shoot street in the night and when its too short I use the other body with the 85mm.
I used the 50mm 1,4 before and find sharp at wide open but now with the 85 images are taken with a razor and at 24mm in some distance i can see the entire frame even taken at 1,4
I dont know if I'll use again my 16-35 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 becouse this combo its really impressive and lightweight
Now you asking if 35 is wide enought? I think 24 its enought wide and good also for street and some ambient portrait too...
But maybe you need something longer too

this exemple 24 mm close to the subject:
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another but with 85L from far like a sniper:
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I didnt post process this image and count is the first week I used them both

I wouldn't carry two bodies, an 85L, 24L and 70-200 2.8 through Rome all day if I lived there. Suggesting that as a vacation package is a bit off-center where I come from. Calling that bag lightweight is just weird.


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Feb 21, 2015 04:56 as a reply to  @ GeoKras1989's post |  #32

That combo its lightweight compared to other combo 16-35 2.8 + 70-200 f 2.8
Btw I'm not telling to go with 2 bodys and 2 lens .. I'm considering 24mm a good compromise compared to 35mm I think its bit long in my taste while shooting street.
Defo I'm saying go for the 24mm and you can't be disappointed!


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Feb 21, 2015 05:33 |  #33

Historically I would take a 24L & 50L, both great lenses & perfect for most shots, however, since I purchased the 24-70L II that's my default walk around lens in Europe.

For me, checking through my shots, I have majority at 24, then 50 & now with more flexibility of the zoom 35 comes third place.

If budget were a real issue (as I was spending it on a vacation), then you know what, I'd make do with the 35mm in the knowledge that it could be somewhat restrictive.

Just enjoy yourself, you'll get some great shots from what you have.


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Feb 21, 2015 05:59 |  #34

Have been to all countries listed and i have to say i came along very good with just a 16-35 and 40/50mm lens


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Feb 21, 2015 07:42 |  #35

Now complaining about a heavy bag is a laugh. Two cameras and four lenses plus laptop and all accessories and peripherals, plus a protective bag can weigh 42 to 45 pounds for point to point travel. But once in place you can just sling two cameras on you with a choice of lens for what you expect to shoot. If you are worried about theft, PacSafe makes a series of bags and a cut-proof camera strap.


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Feb 21, 2015 10:25 |  #36

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Going to Europe ( England, Scotland, Italy, France and Spain) later in the year and I'm trying to decide on a lens selection to take. I'm not sure if 35mm will be limiting.

Heya,

Seeing that 35mm is your widest non-fisheye lens (assuming your sig is correct and up to date), I would actually say that 35mm is going to work for the majority of things, but you'll want wider than that quite often in a lot of situations when inside and sometimes in areas where you're very close and just can't capture it all. If you're willing to do panorama stitches with the 35mm, then yes, it will work (just will take more work). But ultimately I wouldn't want to fiddle with it. I'd take a wider lens.

I shoot nearly only primes in general. However, when I'm traveling or doing something with my family, I don't like to fiddle with a bag of lenses and I want to be able to enjoy the trip and do stuff too, so I try to make my camera as simple as possible, and that's where a zoom comes in. Or, you simply take the widest lens you can get, and be ok with the wide angle for everything. Really a zoom is more ideal. I generally take my EOS-M with a 22 F2 lens, as it's tiny and does it all. That's a 35mm field of view just like a full frame with 35mm lens, so I'm very comfortable with a 35mm FOV as my walk around travel setup. However, if I were going on this trip, I'd want to take my 10-22mm (APS-C lens) because it will go ultrawide to 35mm field of view equivalent. If I wanted a longer lens, I'd just exchange a 50mm or 85mm as my 2nd lens, and take a TTL capable speedlite, and that's it in the bag for me tops on this sort of trip (even then I almost would rather just take my EOS-M and an ultrawide lens and call it a day).

This is a trip where the 17-40 would be a good lens to tote. Or if funds permit, the new 16-35. Even a humble Tamron 17-35 would be a very nice lens for a trip like this. Alternatively, a sharp and fast Rokinon 14 F2.8 would be really nice for this too. Combined with the 6D's ISO ceilling, you can handle dark indoor places just fine with nearly any lens upwards of F4 and faster.

I'd want wider angles in general for a trip like this for indoor stuff as there's so many interesting indoor places to be. Outdoors, I think wide is still the way to go. But there will be times when you want a bit more telephoto mainly, for things on the horizon, places far away, where you don't want a wide angle and would rather have a telehpoto.

Maybe 17-40 & 24-105 would be a good setup to cover most of it. Or even just 24-105 and 14 F2.8?

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Feb 21, 2015 13:18 |  #37

IMO zoom lenses are the best for travel. Minimum 24-XXX.

Been to Europe at least 15 times. I travel heavy so I can shoot quickly without a lot of putzing around.

I won't travel without backups. Learn how to carry gear comfortably and you're good.


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Feb 24, 2015 15:01 |  #38

A trip or a photo-trip?

Having only a 35mm will be great. Why not work the other way around? In stead of changing lenses or FL just stick to your 35 and foot-zoom / walk around to find the best perspective.
But if this will be your only trip to our part of the world I would go for 24-70/2.8 for added flexibility and bring a gorillapad or bean bag for nighttime shots or shots in dark venues.




  
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Feb 24, 2015 15:19 |  #39

If I was leaving for Europe tomorrow:
I would buy the 16mm-35 IS F4 (for urban cityscapes and small street and museums)
And I would take my 50L. (for low light and a normal perspective)
2 lens combo with my 6D and travel as light as possible while having a low-light camera.
I doubt I would bring my 100L even, as I would not intend to blur my setting away on a trip.
I would however, have the option to do that with my 50L and some post process cropping if desired.

I primarily enjoy enviromental portraits and some street photography.


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Feb 25, 2015 07:19 |  #40

Of coure a lot depends on your style of shooting but I'd say 35mm on full-frame is enough for 80% percent of your shots.

You will not get that detail on top of the Notre Dame and might not get that overview inside the Colloseum but, if you are willing to take a few extra steps every now and then, I see no reason why you will be disappointed with your pictures.


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Feb 25, 2015 09:11 as a reply to  @ thijs's post |  #41

The 35 might be wide enough for Paris, but not Rome. I'd get a zoom like the 24-105L for the trip, and bring the 35 for low light.
I usually travel with a general purpose zoom and a fast prime. The fast prime is useful indoors, or outside, and the zoom gives you a variety of focal lengths for architecture, sights, etc.
There are days when I would go out with just a fast prime, but in Paris, not Rome. You really need a wider lens in Rome. A zoom would work best there.
I really like fast primes, but not in tight places on a trip. This is where I'd want the 24-105 or 17-40.
Be sure to bring a backup lens. I have broken a lens tripping in Rome, and AF can always die just when you don't want it to.




  
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Feb 25, 2015 09:19 |  #42

I've already been looking for a 24-70 f4. As well as finding threads on 24-70 vs 24-105. So much to read!!

My current potential setup will be the 35mm, 24-70 (I used to own a 2.8 but never liked it with my 7d) and 135mm.

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Feb 25, 2015 11:00 |  #43

thijs wrote in post #17448927 (external link)
Of coure a lot depends on your style of shooting but I'd say 35mm on full-frame is enough for 80% percent of your shots.

You will not get that detail on top of the Notre Dame and might not get that overview inside the Colloseum but, if you are willing to take a few extra steps every now and then, I see no reason why you will be disappointed with your pictures.

Good examples, but entirely opposite to what was implied. A 35mm cannot fit either the Notre Dame from the outside or inside of the Colosseum in a frame. There is just not enough room to back up.


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Feb 25, 2015 13:00 |  #44

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A 35mm cannot fit the Notre Dame from the outside. There is just not enough room to back up.

Yes it can, from Ile Saint-Louis or across the river. Easy. But.. you're assuming that the photographer will want to take images of the whole of Notre Dame. I spend a lot of time in Paris, with a camera, and feel no such compulsion! It's an amazing building for sure, but why take a picture of it, that's identical to 10,000 other pictures on the internet? What's the point?


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Feb 25, 2015 14:58 |  #45

aldownie wrote in post #17449430 (external link)
Yes it can, from Ile Saint-Louis or across the river. Easy. But.. you're assuming that the photographer will want to take images of the whole of Notre Dame. I spend a lot of time in Paris, with a camera, and feel no such compulsion! It's an amazing building for sure, but why take a picture of it, that's identical to 10,000 other pictures on the internet? What's the point?

I am not assuming anything. I do not know who will want to take what picture.

We go to Paris frequently (my stepdaughter lives there), and every time I shoot the Notre Dame from a different point, from a different angle, of a different detail, etc. But the first time I saw it, years ago, when I was struck by its beauty and majesty, I wanted to to shoot right from the front. Yes, there are many postcards and pictures on the internet, but I wanted my picture. And I could not do it with 18mm on a crop!


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