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14mm 2.8 Samyang vs Bower

 
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Feb 28, 2015 07:21 |  #1

Hi,
I was under the impression that the 14mm f/2.8 from Samyang/Rokinon and Bower were the same optic in different package (re-labelled).

From B&H they suggest not to use the Bower on full frame ( http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …4mm_f_2_8_Ultra​_Wide.html (external link) )
but the disclaimer is not there for the samyang (
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …4mm_f_2_8_Super​_Wide.html (external link) ).

Can someone shed some light on my confusion?

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Feb 28, 2015 07:38 |  #2

B&H is wrong. It is the same lens.


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Feb 28, 2015 08:14 |  #3
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Mike is right. I've got the Rokinon. There is at least one more brand, but I can't think of it. All the same lens, just different badging.


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Feb 28, 2015 12:33 |  #4

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17453549 (external link)
Mike is right. I've got the Rokinon. There is at least one more brand, but I can't think of it. All the same lens, just different badging.

Bell & Howell and Vivitar. There might be more.




  
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Feb 28, 2015 12:33 |  #5
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Furlan wrote in post #17453859 (external link)
Bell & Howell and Vivitar. There might be more.

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Feb 28, 2015 13:52 |  #6

Thanks for the info.


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Bower 14mm 2.8, Takumar 28.mm 3.5, Bower 35mm 1.4, Takumar 50mm 1.4, Canon 50mm 1.8, mamiya 55mm 1.8, Samyang 85mm 1.4, Meyer-optik 135 2.8, Mamiya 135mm 2.8, Takumar 135mm 3.5, Mamiya 400mm 6.3
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Feb 28, 2015 15:07 |  #7

Just received mine from B&H thursday Great price and works great on my 6d. No worries.


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Feb 28, 2015 16:46 |  #8

Here are all of the different names I have seen for the lens:


Samyang
Bower
Bell & Howell
Rokinon
Vivitar
Pro Optic
Walimex Pro


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Mar 01, 2015 18:31 |  #9

msowsun wrote in post #17454128 (external link)
Here are all of the different names I have seen for the lens:


Samyang
Bower
Bell & Howell
Rokinon
Vivitar
Pro Optic
Walimex Pro

How is the IQ on this vs a Tokina 11-16?

I have been disappointed with both copies of the 11-16 I have had (barrel distortion is pretty severe) and was wondering if this lens is any better.

Would be primarily used for nighttime star shooting...


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Mar 01, 2015 20:25 |  #10

Fast351 wrote in post #17455805 (external link)
How is the IQ on this vs a Tokina 11-16?

I have been disappointed with both copies of the 11-16 I have had (barrel distortion is pretty severe) and was wondering if this lens is any better.

Would be primarily used for nighttime star shooting...

14mm is really not an Ultrawide on an APS-C camera.

I once owned the Tokina 11-16 and did not notice any barrel distortion. Most reviewers say it has very little distortion for an ultra-wide lens. Maybe you are confusing barrel distortion with Perspective distortion? In any case the Samyang/Bower 14mm has more distortion than the Tokina 11-16mm.


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Mar 02, 2015 11:27 |  #11

Sorry, I guess maybe I had the name of the distortion wrong, but I would like to see someone take a look at this image and tell me what I'm seeing:

http://fast351.com …e2014/large4/im​g_0647.jpg (external link)

In the center you can see a little star trailing like what you'd expect with a 25 second exposure. But on the edge (most prominent on the upper right corner) there is a SIGNIFICANT trailing, and you can even see that in live preview mode where there isn't time exposure to adjust for.

Is this just a bad lens?

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Mar 02, 2015 12:46 as a reply to  @ Fast351's post |  #12

That's probably coma; worse the farther from the center you get.
Worse on one side/corner than others due to lens assembly/tolerances not being perfect.

A related question about the Samyang/Bower/Rokinon brothers: why are the prices so different for the various nameplates?
14mm f2.8 at B&H:
Bower $259
Samyang $329
Rokinon $399

Why would anyone buy the Rokinon or Samyang when the Bower is the same lens?




  
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Mar 02, 2015 13:24 |  #13
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I bought a Rokinon 14mm f/2.8 from B&H for $297, new, no shipping charges. I think it one of the best lenses I own.

EDIT: I bought it in December. Now it is $399. Odd.


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Mar 02, 2015 13:30 |  #14

yellowt2 wrote in post #17456974 (external link)
That's probably coma; worse the farther from the center you get.
Worse on one side/corner than others due to lens assembly/tolerances not being perfect.

A related question about the Samyang/Bower/Rokinon brothers: why are the prices so different for the various nameplates?
14mm f2.8 at B&H:
Bower $259
Samyang $329
Rokinon $399

Why would anyone buy the Rokinon or Samyang when the Bower is the same lens?

For the same reason people buy Leica's and think boxes and and lens caps are more important
than the actual product. I just purchased the Bower version from B&H and its fine. Samyang and
Rokinon look and sound like they belong on a lens on the other hand Bower splashed across a
huge lens cap not so good.




  
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Mar 02, 2015 13:31 |  #15

Yes, it looks like coma. The Tokina 11-16mm is known to have coma in the corners when used wide open. Stopping down a little helps. The Samyang/Rokinon/Bower 14mm is said to have very little coma.


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