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Mar 12, 2015 10:28 |  #1

I am an architect and I love buildings and the built environment. It is what I thrive on. However, the type of work that I do isn't exactly inspiring at all times. Most architects don't work exclusively on projects that make it to the cover of a magazine.

That being said, I think architectural photography would be a great way to enjoy two of my passions. I don't necessarily have a desire to one day do it professionally, but I do want to start out on the right foot.

What would you consider to be bare minimum gear recommendations? Where would you recommend a person start looking for knowledge and technique?

Perhaps more importantly, how does one get started with the actual photography? I assume it is bad form to just walk into a building and start taking photos. Is there a way for a hobbyist to get permissiong to tour a building and take photos?

If a person had a list of 100 of their favorite buildings, and wanted to capture their own perspective of those buildings and enjoy the process of being in/around them, how would you advise that person to proceed?

Thanks! If this needs to go someplace else, let me know and I will move it.


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Mar 16, 2015 14:39 |  #2

Wide angle lenses are generally required. How wide depends on your personal taste and ability to control unusual distortion.

In the US, generally, if you are photographing from a street, or other public area there is no need to get permission to take or use the photograph.
If you want to go into a building and do more than a casual shot of the lobby, then its essential to get permission. The best person to contact is the building manager. If you intend to use the photographs for any commercial purpose, then you will also need a property release. Similar to model release. That may be more difficult to acquire.

For my walk around architectural photography I shoot handheld brackets with a wide angle zoom lens. (16-35mm on full frame A7R, & 10-24mm on Fuji XT-1 crop sensor.) The coverage is about the same.

For serious work I use a tripod and Canon TSE lenses on the Sony via an adapter.

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Mar 16, 2015 14:49 |  #3

bmaxphoto wrote in post #17471705 (external link)
If a person had a list of 100 of their favorite buildings, and wanted to capture their own perspective of those buildings and enjoy the process of being in/around them, how would you advise that person to proceed?

You could start by having a carefull look through the books you already have for possible que's for focal length and composition like the 10x10 series.




  
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Mar 16, 2015 14:50 |  #4

For architecture, there is no real ABC of lenses that you need. Lenses on the wider end are used more often, and you can go crazy with tilt and shift lenses. But really, your kit lens and maybe a 10-18mm STM will be fine.

I guess it would be bad form to walk into a building and just start shooting without saying anything. But you can start with the public buildings - things like musea, churches (sometimes!), and so on to get a portfolio started.

Then I would talk to the owners of the building you want to photograph. Chances are that they too appreciate the special parts of their building and they might like an architect having a look around to gather inspiration ;).


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Mar 23, 2015 06:08 |  #5

Unless we're talking interior I'm sure taking photos is the least part of the problem in most cases if you have a wide angle lens.

Guys like Mike Kelley has great resources when it comes to this sort of thing. By minimum you're going to need a wide angle to practice but if you want to do proper architectural photography you'll end up investing in a tilt shift lens like Canon's 17mm & 24mm f/4L lens. Certainly not cheap but it's the go to lens for architectural photographery where controlling perspective and convergence of lines becomes a necessity. There's only so much a software can correct with regular wide angle with heavy distortion. In the end you'll have a better image over regular wide angle using tilt shift lens. Food photographers will often use tilt shift lens as well.

Depending on the lighting you may need to use artificial lighting which would also mean post processing the final images so some experience in imaging software will help a ton.

I'd say practice with a cheap wide angle first and get a feel for what its like. You can correct the distortion in post processing to a degree but don't expect amazing quality either. Once you get heavily into it I'm sure you'll know what gear to invest.




  
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Apr 05, 2015 00:12 |  #6

bmaxphoto wrote in post #17471705 (external link)
I am an architect and I love buildings and the built environment. It is what I thrive on. However, the type of work that I do isn't exactly inspiring at all times. Most architects don't work exclusively on projects that make it to the cover of a magazine.

That being said, I think architectural photography would be a great way to enjoy two of my passions. I don't necessarily have a desire to one day do it professionally, but I do want to start out on the right foot.

What would you consider to be bare minimum gear recommendations? Where would you recommend a person start looking for knowledge and technique?

Perhaps more importantly, how does one get started with the actual photography? I assume it is bad form to just walk into a building and start taking photos. Is there a way for a hobbyist to get permissiong to tour a building and take photos?

If a person had a list of 100 of their favorite buildings, and wanted to capture their own perspective of those buildings and enjoy the process of being in/around them, how would you advise that person to proceed?

Thanks! If this needs to go someplace else, let me know and I will move it.

First off, as a Structural Engineer, I definitely hear you about not always being able to work on projects that are going to make magazines. You have to do that school renovation project to keep the cash flow to get the 15 story hotel going in downtown. That's just how it goes, unfortunately.

One way I've gotten to shoot some neat buildings is simply through work. I'm sure your firm would love to have some great pictures of some of their work for free. Chances are they're already paying someone to take pictures for marketing purposes. You should offer to take some yourself "off the clock" and offer the results up for free. That's turned out to work pretty well for me. I've taken shots for both my current and former firms.




  
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Sep 29, 2015 10:11 |  #7

Apologies for reanimating this dead thread, but wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts and ideas. Definitely feeling the urge to get back into photography. Having been on hiatus for a while, I realize how important this creative process is to me and that life is better when I devote time to it. Thanks again.


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Sep 29, 2015 11:58 |  #8

bmaxphoto wrote in post #17471705 (external link)
I am an architect and I love buildings and the built environment. It is what I thrive on. However, the type of work that I do isn't exactly inspiring at all times. Most architects don't work exclusively on projects that make it to the cover of a magazine.

That being said, I think architectural photography would be a great way to enjoy two of my passions. I don't necessarily have a desire to one day do it professionally, but I do want to start out on the right foot.

What would you consider to be bare minimum gear recommendations? Where would you recommend a person start looking for knowledge and technique?

Perhaps more importantly, how does one get started with the actual photography? I assume it is bad form to just walk into a building and start taking photos. Is there a way for a hobbyist to get permissiong to tour a building and take photos?

If a person had a list of 100 of their favorite buildings, and wanted to capture their own perspective of those buildings and enjoy the process of being in/around them, how would you advise that person to proceed?

Thanks! If this needs to go someplace else, let me know and I will move it.

Being an architect, you already have your foot in the door. I have to bribe an architect if I want to shoot their project. I usually approach architects like gumbo and sex, the first time is free, after that they pay. It's worked OK for the most part.

There is a big difference between exterior and interior work, huge! My basic exterior kit is a Canon T6s, 10-20mm Sigma, 18-55mm Canon and 28-300mm Tamron along with a tripod. Add a couple of boxes of strobes, stands and miscellaneous stuff for interiors. Start outside for starters.

The actual photography is easy, show up and set up a tripod. Typically there won't be any resistance but occasionally someone will object. Typically photography from a public location such as a sidewalk is permissible. People are often curious and may stop to chat which I do and give them a card before they go. I subscribe to the 'better to apologize then to ask permission' camp and a lot of times if you just show up and act like you're supposed to be there, nobody will question you. If I do end up needing to ask permission, I never do it as a hobbyist. I explain my newly professional position and how I would like to add their building to my portfolio for which I would be happy to supply them with complimentary images... it's worked for two hospitals and a museum so far.

Keep your list of 100 buildings and make a new one of say 6 that are local. Now go get one really nice exterior image of each building on your list. This will keep you busy for a while.


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Sep 29, 2015 13:00 |  #9
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You should give

this book (external link)

a read: written by an architect turned photographer, not unlike yourself. This is some of his work: http://homepage.archit​ekturphotos.de/ (external link)

Then, getting a wide angle tilt-shift lens, like the Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L II should be your next priority. After that, a sturdy tripod with a geared head. That combo should net you lots of winsome shots, especially of exteriors. For interiors, you need to look at lighting, and that opens a can of worms as there are so many ways to do it (but only a few of doing it right, and that's where the wars begin).


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Sep 29, 2015 13:07 |  #10

There's a lot of good info here. For my two pennyworth I'd start with a good camera and a good ultra wide lens and practice getting your verticals upright. Later consider getting a tilt and shift lens to give you even more control.


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Jan 13, 2016 12:03 |  #11

I know that this is a late entry but, if anyone has mentioned a tripod as an important tool in architectural photography, I must have missed that post.

Additionally, having a competent editing program (AND KNOWING HOW TO USE IT) is another facet that cannot be downplayed.

If you are short on cash (or don't want to invest a king's ransom in your architectural endeavors), I would suggest the following as a good beginning:

Canon 5DII - a minty used 5DII can be had for $800-$900 U.S. Dollars and is an excellent full frame camera...

Tokina AT-X PRO X Pro FX 16-28mm can be had for about $400 on the used market...

If you go to the crop version of Canon DSLR cameras,

7D + Tokina 12-24mm f/4


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Jan 31, 2016 15:22 |  #12

For learning and being unobtrusive, a smaller and lighter camera and tripod is nice. Wide angle is necessary. I don't want to get too deep into hardware, but it appears to me that there is an interesting category of cameras that are mirror-less with larger sensors and large view screens. If I were you I would use the nicest point and shoot you own to experiment with and keep an eye on what that segment of the market is doing. In the old days photographers would put a towel over their heads and look at the image on the ground glass of a "view camera." Other than thinking about looking through the view finder, I would think about looking at the view screen. If you have a DSLR look for some type of view mode. Get a screen that will give you straight grid lines in your view screen. I can image the day when we will point a mirrorless camera like the GoPro and then look at a bluetooth app on our tables and do perspective and distortion correction and editing right there. Maybe even a distance away, not in the sun, under a towel. And the tablet will take one corrected and one raw image at the same time.

Ok. Don't buy a tilt and shift lens yet. But put the Canon 24 mm TS-E on your list to look at and shop for and wonder what body you would use with it. But for now, experiment with getting far enough back from your scene to point your camera directly level at the horizon and then get the building in the upper half of the view finder. You can crop later. A lot of the perspective problems come from pointing the camera up. The TS-E allows you to put the plane of the sensor parallel to the plane of what you are taking a picture of. You can do that without a tilt and shift lens, and just put your scene in the top half of your image. Go somewhere there are multiple columns with lots of vertical straight lines and with a hand held camera and look at the view screen and experiment with what you need to do to get the image on a handheld view screen to get all the vertical lines to look straight up and down. It will change your life. Shop for perspective correction software. If you point your camera at the horizon, then the perspective software has to do less to correct the perspective lines.

For learning and for lightweight compact camera setup, look at the Giottos MH1304-11C mini ball head that is on Amazon. And the Sima quick connect for tripod. These are excellent for smaller compact cameras. The head of any tripod you now have will unscrew off and you can put the ball head on, and then put the Sima quick connect on top of that, and your camera on top of that. Keep your camera on your tripod. Keep the legs of your tripod extended. Close the legs of the tripod, and swing the tripod up on your shoulder and walk around like that. Put a towel on your shoulder if your setup is heavy. Then to set up all you do is spread the legs of the tripod and you are good to go.

Look here for more information on other types and heavier duty options:

http://www.giottosusa.​com/ballheads.shtml (external link)

If you use a heavier camera, you may want to look at a larger ball and the Giottos 652 quick release. But, as you can see, those larger Giottos quick releases would stick out from under a compact camera, more than the Sima quick connect.

Back in the film day when I had a Canon 24 mm TS-E, I had a Bogen 3039 that I see is now replaced by the Manfrotto 229. Wonderful setup. Look into something like that. Having this control of each axis suits some people's personalities more than others.

I enjoy testing the limits of smaller and lighter setups. Often people look at smaller, lighter, cheaper setups as more "beginner" setups that at some point you would grow out of into "real" photography. But I had bigger, heavier, more costly stuff back in the film days and now I enjoy lighter and smaller. Because it is all I need. Not because I am a beginner.




  
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Jan 31, 2016 15:36 |  #13

Alveric wrote in post #17726435 (external link)
You should give this book a read.

Thank you for that link.

There was a book I had years ago about an architectural photographer who took a lot of pictures of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings with a view camera.

Oh. He was Pedro Guerrero. Thank you Google. I won't give a link to Amazon, because there is more than one book so go there and search his name. I am having trouble figuring which one I had. I remember reading that he would visit the site of a shoot without any cameras. And walk around to experience the building. And get to know the building. Before he would start figuring out where he wanted to shoot from.

http://www.fastcodesig​n.com …loyd-wrights-architecture (external link)

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j3R2s6eht8g (external link)

http://www.pbs.org/vid​eo/2365562913/ (external link)

Thank you all for this thread for my putting that into my brain again. And watching that documentary. Good memories of reading that book, and walking around trying to do that.




  
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