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Mar 19, 2015 09:29 |  #1

hello there,

I might upgrade from my 60D with 17-55 f/2.8 to a full frame 6D with 24-105L. While browsing the internet, I found out that a lot of people complain about this combo because there is something wrong in the 6D when using the lens...like the lens doesn't seem to be as sharp as when using it with 5dMKII or 5dMKIII. I find it odd...but I am here asking you guys to confirm me that is can't be really true???

Or....should I buy a used 5dMKII instead a new 6D ? will it be a good improvement over my 60D in terms of image quality?

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Mar 19, 2015 09:49 |  #2

A) I have never heard that and B) Love the 6D with the 24-105mm.

Seriously, I had the 5D II with the 24-105mm lens and the lens never wowed me on the 5D II. I never quite knew why. A year ago, I sold the combo and ordered the 70D with the 17-55mm lens. Before the lens even arrived, the 6D kit went on sale for about $100 more than I was paying for the 70D/17-55mm. At that time, a POTN member told me the 6D with the 24-105 would get better results than the 70D/17-55 results due to the larger sensor. I returned the 70D and went with the 6D kit. So glad that I did. And I think the dissatisfaction with the 5Dii/24-105mm combo was probably due to user error.

The 24-105mm is on my 6D 90% of the time and I am 100% satisfied with the results. I even used this combo in a dark school auditorium to shoot my granddaughter's program. Stage shots turned out beautiful. I think this is a perfect lens for this camera.


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Mar 19, 2015 09:53 |  #3

PS Deciding between the 6D and 5Diii depends on what you want. They are both an improvement over the 60D due to the larger sensor. Enough to merit upgrading? Only you can decide. I never considered the 5Diii, as I felt the 5Dii was too heavy and I was only selling it to get a lighter set-up. There is a pretty big price gap and again, only you can decide if the price difference is worth it to you.


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Mar 19, 2015 10:30 |  #4
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I have really got to try a 24-105L. I look at specs and it is easily Canon's worst IQ/$ L-lens. Folks who don't like it complain about the heavy distortion at the wide end and softness at the long end. Folks who like it are equally adamant about its utility and versatility.

For years I used a crop/10-22 combo, and loved it. FF users pooh-pooh the 17-40 for this and that. Worst WA zoom in the stable, if you listen to some users. Well, along comes my 6D, so I sell the 10-22 and buy a 17-40. The results are amazing. The 17-40 on a 6D easily outperforms a 60D/10-22 setup.

I can almost believe I'd have the same love for a 24-105, if I could just get myself to try one. Excuse the rambling, please. I am just trying to convince myself. Or maybe I'll wait for the 24-105L II @ $1599. Then I'll at least know WHY I'm not buying one.


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Mar 19, 2015 10:35 as a reply to  @ GeoKras1989's post |  #5

Consider the new 24-105 STM

It is sharper across the board. Being an updated design, it may not distort as much either.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=1 (external link)


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Mar 19, 2015 10:39 |  #6

I bought the 6D on sale last year with the 24-105 kit lens. Maybe I got lucky and got a really great lens, but I have had great results with it on my 6D and 5D classic. I have not used it on the 7D but after I finish this post I may have to do just that. I am not sure why so many people feel negative toward this lens but mine is sharp and produces fantastic pictures.




  
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Mar 19, 2015 10:46 |  #7
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MakisM1 wrote in post #17482047 (external link)
Consider the new 24-105 STM

It is sharper across the board. Being an updated design, it may not distort as much either.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=1 (external link)

Thanks. I do read Bryan's reviews. The STM part of that scares me, though I don't know why. I never manually focus anyway; so it shouldn't bother me. (For those who don't know, you can't focus an STM lens unless metering is active.) I just think that is weird.


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Mar 19, 2015 11:46 |  #8

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17482063 (external link)
...(For those who don't know, you can't focus an STM lens unless metering is active.) I just think that is weird.

I didn't know this, but how can you disable metering? Isn't it alway active in some form or another?


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MakisM1 wrote in post #17482156 (external link)
I didn't know this, but how can you disable metering? Isn't it alway active in some form or another?

To be able to focus an STM lens, you have to press a button that (shutter, BBAF) that activates the juice to the lens. When you turn the focus-ring of an STM, you are NOT turning the lens' action. You are adjusting a dial much like a dimmer switch. Your mechanical input is turned into electrical input, which moves the focus mechanism. As stated, I think that is weird.

Oh, and thanks for the suggestion; I have considered the 24-105 STM. Being cheap, I am waiting for used/refurbs to appear. At $350 to $400, I may give it a try. Optically, it looks very nice.


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Mar 19, 2015 12:29 |  #10

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17482171 (external link)
To be able to focus an STM lens, you have to press a button that (shutter, BBAF) that activates the juice to the lens. When you turn the focus-ring of an STM, you are NOT turning the lens' action. You are adjusting a dial much like a dimmer switch. Your mechanical input is turned into electrical input, which moves the focus mechanism. As stated, I think that is weird.

Oh, and thanks for the suggestion; I have considered the 24-105 STM. Being cheap, I am waiting for used/refurbs to appear. At $350 to $400, I may give it a try. Optically, it looks very nice.

Ahah! Now I understand! I use BBF so the 'metering' comment didn't ring with me. Of course I have to 'tap' the shutter button to bring the camera to life (I never shut it off). It does make sense.

Thanks!:-)


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Mar 19, 2015 13:54 |  #11

I upgraded from a 7D to the 6D/24-105L kit and find it is one of my most used lenses. The combination of 24-105 and 100-400 lenses gives the ability to shoot almost anything in any circumstance. Granted faster glass helps in most scenarios but the low-light capabilities of the 6D compensates a lot for slower glass.

I am very happy with the combination - haven't used the 24-105 STM so can't speak to that one.


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Mar 19, 2015 15:06 |  #12

so, if I sum it up, it's a good kit!

Now, will I get the same picture quality with the 24-105L f/4 + higher iso use than with my current 17-55 f/2.8 + 60D?

Thank you


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Mar 19, 2015 16:06 |  #13

MakisM1 wrote in post #17482047 (external link)
Consider the new 24-105 STM

It is sharper across the board. Being an updated design, it may not distort as much either.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=1 (external link)

are we looking at the same chart from what I can see the stm was only sharper on the edge at 24mm wide open, change to 5.6 and the L lens was better at just about every one


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Mar 19, 2015 16:29 |  #14

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #17482461 (external link)
so, if I sum it up, it's a good kit!

Now, will I get the same picture quality with the 24-105L f/4 + higher iso use than with my current 17-55 f/2.8 + 60D?

Thank you

Absolutely. The 24-105 is a stop slower than your 17-55, but the IS is great and I've always thought the IQ to be awesome. The vast majority of my many thousand shots were taken with the 24-105. I believe it's Canon's best all-purpose lens.

The 6D's IQ is a huge step up from the 60D in low light/high ISO situations. You can easily shoot ISO 3200 or higher and clean up what noise there is very easily. The 6D also has Multi-shot Noise Reduction (MSNR), which is awesome for stationary subjects in ridiculously low light.

6D with 24-105. Hand held at 12800 ISO. Would I print this out at 36"x48"? Probably not. But if I had wanted that, I would have used a tripod and shot at 100 ISO. Still, this printed out very nicely at 8x10.

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Mar 19, 2015 16:43 |  #15

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #17482461 (external link)
so, if I sum it up, it's a good kit!

Now, will I get the same picture quality with the 24-105L f/4 + higher iso use than with my current 17-55 f/2.8 + 60D?

Thank you

Yes! A FF is sharper, all else being equal. Of course you will never get the f2.8 :-D but the IQ you will.

Dshae wrote in post #17482535 (external link)
are we looking at the same chart from what I can see the stm was only sharper on the edge at 24mm wide open, change to 5.6 and the L lens was better at just about every one

Yes, that's why I said 'consider'. Keep in mind that at f3.5 at the shorter end, it beats the L like a drum...:-D

Seriously now, I am all for constant aperture, even if it is f4. Distortions you can clear in post. But that's just me...:-P


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