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Apr 02, 2015 08:16 as a reply to  @ post 17501437 |  #31

MattPD ... I was not disagreeing with you ... 'photographers can't win" ... meaning no matter what we do, or what the law reads (I personally think the SC ruling is very clear and we have the right to shoot in public). But that won't stop others from expecting we cannot shoot people in public. They are wrong - but it often takes legal action to truly educate ignorance ...

Unfortunately, these type arguments come from ignorance rather then knowledge.




  
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Apr 02, 2015 15:19 |  #32

Furlan wrote in post #17499546 (external link)
What are the odds that 90% of the general population in this country (USA) have no idea what
the general law are regarding so called street photography. For those who have stated you can
shot in any public place how about the Supreme Court.Certain places a little common sense needs
to be applied or you just might end up dead right.

Your definition of "public place" seems to be preventing you from understanding the statements of others. Maybe this will help:

"Public Space is basically any place which people can freely access, like streets, parks, roads, beaches etc. If it is “outside” of any places that are owned by other people, then it is probably a Public Space.

A Council building is NOT a Public Space simply because it is a government bulding and therefore “of the people”, the same applies to Night Clubs, Sporting Venues, Shopping Centres etc … Just because people can access them – it does not make them “Public Spaces” – because they are privately owned."

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Apr 02, 2015 16:10 |  #33

But, The council building , mall , etc, can be photographed from a public spot. Sure, pulling up to a courthouse snapping photos might not be smart, it is not illegal. Now, once you get out of the car and walk up past the sidewalk is a different story.

People need to get their heads out of their rear ends, quit believing everything the media pumps out and use a little common sense... It is getting where when you go on vacation, you better leave the camera at home.

If someone photographs you and you don't like it, ask them not to. Or ask them to delete it. They don't have to but at least ask. If that is not good enough call the cops.

By all means, don't open my door and point to yours telling me where your gun is. Heck I'll reach beside my seat and show you exactly where mine is.


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Apr 02, 2015 20:58 |  #34

PeteD wrote in post #17502330 (external link)
But, The council building , mall , etc, can be photographed from a public spot. Sure, pulling up to a courthouse snapping photos might not be smart, it is not illegal. Now, once you get out of the car and walk up past the sidewalk is a different

Yes, even the Supreme Court building ca be photographed. Once you get inside, there are restrictions, because you're no longer in a public space.




  
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Apr 02, 2015 22:30 |  #35

This isnt the first time that this issue has come up and I think the second post in this thread summed it up pretty clearly. I will just say this if your shooting street photography its best to ask permission and be courteous. Of course that isnt a legal requirement but common sense can go a long ways.


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Apr 04, 2015 10:30 |  #36

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Two words....West Virginia

can't believe it took so long.

I whole heartedly disagree with the one poster here who seems to think that only the government or a private company has the right to take pictures of people in public places, the flip side is having your head so far up your rear end that you think you can jump out of your car, take a picture of someone's rural ass backwoods home, and then jump back in and take off without potential confrontation.

i googled the town in question, these photographers should have anticipated problems. Hell, i live in town and if someone pulled up in front of my house and started snapping pics of my kids i would certainly walk outside and check them out.


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Apr 04, 2015 17:50 |  #37

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i googled the town in question

Google "Jesse Camp" for a further visual. Regardless of the legalities, this was the equivalent of a "perfect storm" photoshoot - Iggy Pop meets Drooling Banjos.

All of that aside, they were harassed, detained against their will, a gun was brandished and the net result was that they were escorted out of town.
No arrests were made. The other shoe needs to drop.

"in the end was our being escorted out of the area. At no point were we given the opportunity to discuss being held hostage. In fact, we were left with a lecture about not making mean videos about the good people of West Virginia, which, while distasteful and at odds with everything we believe in, also isn't illegal."

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Apr 04, 2015 18:21 |  #38

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Google "Jesse Camp" for a further visual.

wow, talk about oil and water. dude was totally out of his element. I wish this kind of stuff never happened, but i'm also realistic.

actually though i thought you were suggesting i take a look at another town in WV called "Jesse Camp", my first thought was "well, i lived in a place called Meat Camp, NC not much will shock me." I also rode mountain bikes all over the place back in the early 90s, one trail ended up in Globe, NC. The road to Globe came out of Blowing Rock, the two places are literally polar opposites and only a few miles from each other. Gotta have some street smarts when you're out in the sticks.


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Apr 04, 2015 18:46 |  #39

If the story of the townspeople's treatment of the photographer were fiction, I'd think the writer was shamefully using disrespectful stereotypes of primitive hillbillies--ignorant, mean, mistrustful of outsiders, ready to reach for guns--as a cheap way to create a villain. Unfortunately, it now seems that the stereotype is based on fact.

Local culture in Raysal doesn't look good. A thread on a Raysal talk forum (external link)

(This post got me a vulgarity warning for a sequence of letters in the word "mistrustful.")


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Apr 04, 2015 20:05 |  #40

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Good.

The elitist mentality of street photographers more than defines the meaning of arrogance: "Hey! It's a public place I can take pictures of anybody I want!"

But opposite that is a response just as strong: "I don't want my picture taken, and I have a right not to have my picture taken." *

Each belief is as valid as the other.

If you're taking pictures of people who do not what their pictures taken, be prepared to be confronted because of it. Don't want to suffer that confrontation? Simple enough. Don't take pictures of people who do not want their picture taken.

In this case, the suspicion was they were taking pictures of children. Even worse. Only those who are truly ignorant do not understand why, and how strongly, a parent would protect their child.

(* - This is usually followed by the typical "Hey, dude! You're in a public place. If you don't want your picture taken, don't go out in public..." blah, blah, blah which only emphasizes the insufferable arrogance and ignorance of street photographers)

Did we read the same article? In what imaginary world do you live where random people can detain you on the threat of violence just because you're taking pictures of things in public view? Maybe everyone should go around terrorizing building owners who refuse to turn off security cameras?


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Apr 07, 2015 15:43 |  #41

PeteD wrote in post #17502330 (external link)
By all means, don't open my door and point to yours telling me where your gun is. Heck I'll reach beside my seat and show you exactly where mine is.

One potential problem, that state is very gun friendly and I bet that woman wasn't the only one in the crowd with a gun.




  
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Apr 07, 2015 16:14 |  #42

Sad that the attitudes have developed such a mistrust of others. Granted those few who exploit and make media headlines have an impact for the rest who's motivation is far different than the media makes out. Past times as a kid we'd love to have a person interested that they would snap a photo. These days one needs releases, compensation if not the whole biography and support info to snap a picture unmolested by the so called politically correct/police types. People have become brainwashed how the media slant is about pedophiles, molesters, kidnappers... It remains a concern and it many respects it is wise to be aware but not to the extent that some mob mentalities lead to like this situation.

I haven't taken pics of kids in public because of these such encounters with mob mentality. Even when I shot a youth golf tournament, some parents were quite suspicious and were asking what my intended purpose was. Luckily a family member was participating in the tournament otherwise I'd have been branded-hung out as some nutcase. That is my nephew over there, this is his dad, blah-blah.

The masses have no clue what is permitted but in these instances, they have the numbers who perpetuate the ignorance and spread it. :evil:




  
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Apr 07, 2015 19:49 |  #43

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One potential problem, that state is very gun friendly and I bet that woman wasn't the only one in the crowd with a gun.

I know and support that fact. If you can legally have them and want them, by all means go ahead. But I wouldn't be the only one in the car with one either...............


Grabbing someone's door like that and making that stupid remark is exactly how you end up reading about deaths in the papers...


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Apr 07, 2015 19:51 |  #44

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Sad that the attitudes have developed such a mistrust of others. Granted those few who exploit and make media headlines have an impact for the rest who's motivation is far different than the media makes out. Past times as a kid we'd love to have a person interested that they would snap a photo. These days one needs releases, compensation if not the whole biography and support info to snap a picture unmolested by the so called politically correct/police types. People have become brainwashed how the media slant is about pedophiles, molesters, kidnappers... It remains a concern and it many respects it is wise to be aware but not to the extent that some mob mentalities lead to like this situation.

I haven't taken pics of kids in public because of these such encounters with mob mentality. Even when I shot a youth golf tournament, some parents were quite suspicious and were asking what my intended purpose was. Luckily a family member was participating in the tournament otherwise I'd have been branded-hung out as some nutcase. That is my nephew over there, this is his dad, blah-blah.

The masses have no clue what is permitted but in these instances, they have the numbers who perpetuate the ignorance and spread it. :evil:

I know. I have been asked to go to a friends kids games before and photo them. But the way people are, I would rather not even try. I could get good business from it though once they say the ones I would take and then want their kids done. But nah, that's ok


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Apr 07, 2015 20:56 |  #45

Legality and decency are, often, too far removed from each other.

If someone were taking photos of my child, I would ask them not to. If that person persisted, I would do what was necessary to ensure that the photographer was unable to continue, and which would likely make him wish he'd simply agreed to stop shooting in the first place.

If that resulted in me having to deal with the authorities and legal ramifications related to my actions, so be it; wouldn't be the first time.

That photographer would, however, most definitely stop shooting.


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