Insane Crop-abilty! Didn't know what I was missing! 7D2

I will John lol ,...Ill even give you a target

johnf3f wrote in post #17509335
Those images look better than I would have expected. I will have to see if a local 7D2 owner will let me put my card in and give one a try!

agreed.. check through my other flickr pics. not many yet..
I am amazed as I would not get this kind of results on my t2i...

C Scott IV wrote in post #17508540
The two things I dislike about my 7D seem to be addressed by the 7D II.

1) Read noise/pattern noise in the shadows. If there is anything in the two stops at the left of the histogram it has no detail at all. ETTR helps keep some stuff out of those two stops but not all of it. So if I want a decent landscape it needs to be during blue hour, overcast with no sky or a silhouette.

The vertical banding at base ISO is even more of a tragedy when you realize that a lot of it is fixed-pattern, IOW, it is exactly the same in every frame. I have reason to believe that it is a firmware error, as "long exposure noise reduction" doesn't subtract it, but subtracting an outright blackframe *does*. IOW, the firmware seems to be adding this banding in, by correcting for it twice or something equally stupid.

That's nice. I was walking around with my 7D2, 2xIII and 70-200/4L IS the other day, and without any MFA the combo was a little slow to AF from near to far or visa-versa, but was fast enough just changing distance in smaller amounts, and was pretty accurate. The 300/4L IS works, too. It will really be awesome if we ever get f/11 phase-detect AF. A 100-400/5.6 becomes an AF-able 800/11.

LJ3Jim wrote in post #17508636
Are you happy with the 7D2 for landscapes?

A 7D II is still a year away in my budget. This thread interested me because I was considering FF and mirrorless to get past the my primary frustration with the 7D (muddy shadows). From the samples I've seen the 7D II does wildlife and landscapes very well. No reason for me to consider going the Sony or FF route anymore.

John's comments about 7D pattern noise...

John Sheehy wrote in post #17509521
The vertical banding at base ISO is even more of a tragedy when you realize that a lot of it is fixed-pattern, IOW, it is exactly the same in every frame. I have reason to believe that it is a firmware error, as "long exposure noise reduction" doesn't subtract it, but subtracting an outright blackframe *does*. IOW, the firmware seems to be adding this banding in, by correcting for it twice or something equally stupid.

I agree, although I didn't have the knowledge to back it up. As usual I appreciate you explaining things in terms I can understand.

That is good to hear. I know the 100-400L will take an IQ hit with a X1.4 TC but having "fast enough" AF would beat the my pre-focus/manual focus skills with the combo.

C Scott IV wrote in post #17509815
A 7D II is still a year away in my budget. This thread interested me because I was considering FF and mirrorless to get past the my primary frustration with the 7D (muddy shadows). From the samples I've seen the 7D II does wildlife and landscapes very well. No reason for me to consider going the Sony or FF route anymore.

FYI - I supplemented my 70D with a 5D3 last year in search of better IQ at higher ISOs. Since I got my 7D2, the 5D3 hardly gets used at all. It will probably get sold later this year. I'm really happy with the 7D2.

hollis_f wrote in post #17508860
... whenever this topic crops up. ...

I see what you did there..

And yes, that post of Mr Brownings' is excellent.

LJ3Jim wrote in post #17509911
FYI - I supplemented my 70D with a 5D3 last year in search of better IQ at higher ISOs. Since I got my 7D2, the 5D3 hardly gets used at all. It will probably get sold later this year. I'm really happy with the 7D2.

I would get it listed ASAP if I were you. I absolutely love the 5d3 but prices have been falling fast lately with new bodies now being sold for under $2K used prices are down sharply.

I will not be parting with my 5D3, it will remain with me for a while. I could not live without it's full frame low noise goodness

Why would you? It is still a better camera for most uses, but when your longest lens is just not enough???

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17507307
indeed.

I hear some anti MP folks argue that with proper planning and framing 12-15 MP should be enough for most everything.

my work (photography or otherwise) is marketing type stuff. Despite having great creative work and mock ups on the front end there are often things that come up that change the final output. Framing the image too tight could leave you unable to put together an ad for a different aspect ratio, For instance turing a half page horizontal into a full page. It happens all the time. Having a buffer around the edge is critical, having super close framing is foolish.

Or you might need to make a life size standee or wall size print for a showroom...........

You are so very right, Brisket.

I think that a lot of the people who say that their 6MP or 8MP camera is "all anyone needs" have no idea about the things you just discussed - the use of images in various commercial applications. I think all these folks are doing is printing tiny little 16" by 20" prints, and posting their images on their websites, facebook, and other internet uses.

I can get a heck of a lot more sales out of an image if if has high resolution, and if there is "breathing room" around the subject. This is because (as you described) the image can be cropped into various different aspect ratios, and therefore fit into a greater number of possible page layouts.

I rarely sell prints (over 95% of my sales are usage licenses). But, when a big print sale came my way last summer, I missed out on a lot of additional money because my images only had 12 or 15 MPs. Why? Because my client wanted to buy 48" by 32" prints, but there simply wasn't enough resolution to print most of the images at that size, so we had to settle for much smaller 36" by 24" prints (only two or three were able to go up to 48"). My profit on the 48" prints would have been $75 more than on the smaller 36" prints, so with over 30 prints being ordered, you can see that I really did lose out on a couple of thousand additional dollars in profit because of the "little" 12, 15, and 16 mp sensors I had been shooting with.

As for the whole theory that MPs don't matter because "you view larger images from further distances" - well, that is complete crap! All of the afore-mentioned prints were going to be put into office spaces and client rooms that were 8 1/2 feet by 13 feet at the largest (many of the rooms were only 8' by 10').

Anyway, I am basically saying that I completely agree with Jake about more pixels being better, all else being equal. Now Canon has to get to work so that their sensors get to the point where all else is equal!

So i just discovered the first down side of the 7D2,.

I was a little surprised but mostly annoyed to find that despite the similar control layout and size, the 7D2 requires yest another dedicated battery grip. I would have appreciated being to use the 5D3 grip on the 7D2. Probably too much to ask, but oh well.

The good news is at least the BG-E11 WILL fit the new 5D-S bodies.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17513159
The good news is at least the BG-E11 WILL fit the new 5D-S bodies.

That's good marketing right there.

I know, and it will actually play a part in my own decision to try one of these megapixel monsters out!

Jake at least they kept the battery grip the same from the 7D to the 7DII, so those upgrading from the original to the marl two did OK. last year I was able to upgrade my 20D to something a little more modern. I went with the 50D, as it shared batteries/grip with the older camera. The other issue I have is not wanting SD cards, I just seem to kill them. So that put the 60D out even if I could have just scraped the body price wise. Enjoy your new 7DII I know I would, although I think the new 50MP FF bodies would finally provide me with an FF body that I would enjoy shooting at airshows with a 600mm lens attached. I often have to do a linear 1/3rd crop even with 600mm on a crop body

Alan