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May 15, 2015 06:20 as a reply to  @ post 17557112 |  #31

Great shot Joey!

Can you describe a bit more about how this shot was taken?
1) time of day
2) distance of rovelight from subject

P.S. How do you feel about the performance of the rovelight and it's battery? Do you wish you would have purchased one of the other options?
I have enjoyed this thread and your work. I'll continue to follow this thread with interest.




  
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May 15, 2015 07:09 |  #32

I just started getting into portraits and ocf hss.. has been very interesting don't have anything that I'm too happy to post yet but I'll keep trying shots like joeybaccala are definitely inspiring ... great work ...love how you use lighting

I am considering the rl600b..with a softbox of some sort
..and a canon 85 1.8 as I don't really own a "portraits lens"
I currently only own a 24-70 2.8 and 50 1.4 (the 50 i'm not too happy with) So that's what I've been learning with

So perhaps I should just continue with my 2 flashes and umbrellas and invest in a 70-200 2.8 first?


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May 15, 2015 10:43 as a reply to  @ post 17557112 |  #33

what time of day are you taking these shoots at. is it midday. the shutter speed is blocking most the direct natural light correct? trying to learn.


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May 15, 2015 12:28 as a reply to  @ Astheros's post |  #34

It can be any time of the day. Yes you are using the high shutter speeds to kill the ambient but the brighter the ambient, the more power required. Tje examples I posted using speedlights are taken late afternoon in reasonable light. Joey is using a more powerful strobe cable of overpowering a brighter sun, being capable of more power at faster SS speeds. What you can do is largely based on the gear you have.




  
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May 20, 2015 19:39 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #35

So I shoot a MarkIII and have a Einstein, 2 white lightnings and a alienbee, can I shoot hss with this gear? I have the older pocket wizards.

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May 20, 2015 19:48 |  #36

jeffdaypdx wrote in post #17564710 (external link)
So I shoot a MarkIII and have a Einstein, 2 white lightnings and a alienbee, can I shoot hss with this gear? I have the older pocket wizards.

Thanks,
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No. Your triggers are not HSS capable. Your lights may be be able to use the hypersync technique with other triggers. Each of your lights will behave differently. The Einstein has a very short duration and isnt great. The lightning's and bees depend on the model.




  
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May 20, 2015 22:12 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #37

So my pocket wizards are not hss capable? The white lightnings are the 1600's if that helps. I have a couple of canon speedlights but have never had any luck with them.

I appreciate the help, this is such a cool style.


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May 21, 2015 01:09 as a reply to  @ jeffdaypdx's post |  #38

You can duplicate the style without hss by using an ND filter to get the same exposure without getting the shutter speed above sync. I dont know how much you understand about focal plane shutters and sync speeds but your max sync is the fastest speed where the shutter is open fully, any faster than that the second curtain closes before the first one is fully open. HSS gets around this by using pulses of light instead of a single burst of light. That has been traditionally only a speedlite technique. Recently there have been hybrid strobes with electronic controls that allow HSS. your strobes nor your triggers will do HSS. There is a hack though. Strobes that have a long tail burn, the glow after the flash tube fires, can be used to create a sort of fake HSS. You need a trigger that can be set to fool the timing of the flash so that it fires early and the camera, catches the tail burn. As I said above the ND filter is a cheaper and more effective way to get the same look. If you want to try hypersync, you need to research if anyone has been effective with the strobes you have and the triggers they use.




  
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May 21, 2015 03:09 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #39

I've tested the hypersync with my White Lightning x1600's in the past with some degree of success using the Phottix Odin triggers. The Odin TCU has the variable timing feature that allows you to dial in a specific timing offset for this very purpose.

I'll try to dig up the spreadsheet and sample images tomorrow to post the results here if anyone is actually interested, but there were enough issues with this technique that I've never actually tried to employ it in a real world shoot. The biggest problems were that the exposure was quite uneven across the frame, requiring a gradient exposure correction in LR to even out the frame in post, and the fact that the exposure varied unevenly with the power setting and shutter speed, with lower power settings being more effective than higher power settings. This obviously negates the effectiveness for outdoor daytime use . The other gotcha I remember is that the 1/4 power mode on the x1600 was virtually useless for hypersync. Oh and to top it off, I seem to remember this technique being more effective with my 7D than my 6D, so that's one more variable to consider as well.

TL;DR; Stick with ND filters and save yourself the hassle, or pick up one of the newer HSS-capable studio heads for this specific purpose.




  
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May 21, 2015 11:15 as a reply to  @ btweller's post |  #40

Thanks everyone for the information, it is all very helpful. I have tried the ND filter route too. It is difficult. I will just keep tinkering.

Thanks again


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May 21, 2015 12:34 |  #41

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May 21, 2015 16:34 |  #42

OP - Any shots with that Roverlight to show how can I use to kill ambient? That is the main thing I can think of when using HSS mode. Otherwise I can do same (shooting wider aperture) using ND filter. Also can you post a shot of a indoor wall at those higher shutter speeds, I want to see if exposure variation from top to bottom of the frame. Thanks in advance.


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May 21, 2015 17:50 |  #43

MichaelLynn wrote in post #17535338 (external link)
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May 22, 2015 02:00 |  #44

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May 22, 2015 07:45 as a reply to  @ post 17566540 |  #45

i am a noob trying to learn but i am assuming that this particular shot must have been taken later on in the night after the sun is down but its not night yet. maybe like 8pm look like right now in NYC. that was my initial thought exactly cause the other shots are at much higher speeds.


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