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Sep 09, 2016 17:33 |  #23836

I'll only believe that the 5D IV has 13.5 stops of DR at base ISO when I see it on DXOMark. I think the best Canon DSLR regarding DR at base ISO is currently the 80D with 13.2 stops (external link).


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Sep 09, 2016 17:37 |  #23837

jocau wrote in post #18122614 (external link)
I'll only believe that the 5D IV has 13.5 stops of DR at base ISO when I see it on DXOMark. I think the best Canon DSLR regarding DR at base ISO is currently the 80D with 13.2 stops (external link).

If the 80D - a crop frame - has 13.2, then 13.5 on a FF is a cinch. No reason to be skeptical that 5D IV won't be very similar DR to 1DX II: https://www.dxomark.co​m …as/Canon/EOS-1D-X-Mark-II (external link) .

Still not touching the a7R II at 13.9 stops DR...but it's close enough to not be the differentiating issue that it has been.


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Sep 09, 2016 17:39 |  #23838

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Thanks for this.

The filter holders are a pain because I find myself fumbling a lot with all of that (specially at the beach, where you can't set anything down for fear of it getting sandy or wet).

I had the original Lee foundation kit. Sold it. Bought the equivalent from the Filter Dude earlier this year. Fumbled with it a couple of times. Stopped using it. I still have it and I still have my 10 stop and 6 stop ND 100mm filters.
But I find it's easier for me to pull one round filter from the small filter pouch I carry, and screw it on to the lens after it's on the camera, on the tripod and ready to go.
With the holders, I have to fumble with 3 different pieces: The adapter ring, the holder itself, then the filter.
The latter is easy enough to slide on, but ergonomically (i usually have only one hand free to do all this) it's kind of a pain.

it really is a hassle, that's why im still waiting for sony to provide built in nd for the a7 bodies. they have it on a few of the bodies (I can't remember which) so I don't know why they don't include it in the more expensive body.

its on my rx100v3 p&s and I love it.

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Sep 09, 2016 17:40 |  #23839

DTBaan wrote in post #18122622 (external link)
it really is a hassle, that's why im still waiting for sony to provide built in nd for the a7 bodies. they have it on a few of the bodies (I can't remember which) so I don't know why they don't include it in the more expensive body.

its on my rx100v3 p&s and I love it.

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well its not gonna give you 10 stops but still, it helps to have some when in need.




  
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Sep 09, 2016 17:42 |  #23840

David Arbogast wrote in post #18122620 (external link)
If the 80D - a crop frame - has 13.2, then 13.5 on a FF is a cinch. No reason to be skeptical that 5D IV won't be very similar DR to 1DX II: https://www.dxomark.co​m …as/Canon/EOS-1D-X-Mark-II (external link) .

Still not touching the a7R II at 13.9 stops DR...but it's close enough to not be the differentiating issue that it has been.

does canon having more DR help improve banding? :P

seriously I don't know hehe. part joke, part wonder.




  
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Sep 09, 2016 17:46 |  #23841

Puckman wrote in post #18122598 (external link)
I love my 10 stop ND from Haida. I need to add the 6 stop 77mm version to the collection.
I have the 10 and 6 stop in 100mm, but I gave up using filter holders. So I ended up using the 77mm screw on 10-stop ND, and now I want the 6 stop version of that.

Out of curiosity (and I REALLY do not want to start a flame war!), I'm intrigued by your "near Sony quality sensors" comment. Is that true? What are you basing that off? (You were fairly happy with the 5DSR, if I recall). I'm very curious as to whether Canon is finally catching up with their sensors, because, despite everything, I STILL miss the ergonomics and ease of use of their cameras.

I have a set of circular ND's as well, but just some older stuff in 82mm form, not even haida quality, but good enough.

Canon has basically caught up with the 5DIV, the comparisons are on dpreview.

it's 30mp, the dynamic range is pretty much there, and likely no banding.


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Sep 09, 2016 17:49 |  #23842

David Arbogast wrote in post #18122620 (external link)
If the 80D - a crop frame - has 13.2, then 13.5 on a FF is a cinch. No reason to be skeptical that 5D IV won't be very similar DR to 1DX II: https://www.dxomark.co​m …as/Canon/EOS-1D-X-Mark-II (external link) .

Still not touching the a7R II at 13.9 stops DR...but it's close enough to not be the differentiating issue that it has been.

I've always found it strange that the A7II and A7RII had lost a bit of DR at base ISO (external link) compared to their predecessors. Anyway no more DSLR for me next time because I really hate things like backfocus & frontfocus.


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Sep 09, 2016 17:52 |  #23843

Puckman wrote in post #18122610 (external link)
Thanks for this.

The filter holders are a pain because I find myself fumbling a lot with all of that (specially at the beach, where you can't set anything down for fear of it getting sandy or wet).

I had the original Lee foundation kit. Sold it. Bought the equivalent from the Filter Dude earlier this year. Fumbled with it a couple of times. Stopped using it. I still have it and I still have my 10 stop and 6 stop ND 100mm filters.
But I find it's easier for me to pull one round filter from the small filter pouch I carry, and screw it on to the lens after it's on the camera, on the tripod and ready to go.
With the holders, I have to fumble with 3 different pieces: The adapter ring, the holder itself, then the filter.
The latter is easy enough to slide on, but ergonomically (i usually have only one hand free to do all this) it's kind of a pain.

OK, here is what you need: the Mindshift Gear Filter Hive (external link). Completely changed my world. It houses all my filters and it has a strap that goes over your ballhead. It makes managing filters in the field a pleasure. I may also get the "mini" version for a little less bulk - keeping all my filters in the main 'hive' while using the 'mini hive' for actual outings.


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Sep 09, 2016 17:53 |  #23844

on the topic of filters, I like square the best, I just hate dealing with the bulk, and the occasional light leak can drive me mad. Circular is a little slower, but not a lot, never light leak issues, but adapters can be a little silly. I have smaller 67mm set of filters, 82mm set, and 100mm squares still -?

Since I still cant decide on my filter situation, I simply keep them all.


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Sep 09, 2016 17:55 |  #23845

DTBaan wrote in post #18122627 (external link)
does canon having more DR help improve banding? :P

seriously I don't know hehe. part joke, part wonder.

Absolutely. Banding was mostly gone with the 5DS R - I rarely ever saw it - by now I think the issue has been relegated to being just a horrible memory of Canon past.


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Sep 09, 2016 18:03 |  #23846

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And then they have since perfected the whole dual-pixel AF, which is an an advancement vastly superior to the AF in the original M (if I recall correctly).

The first M had a pure contrast detect system which is of the same caliber of the a7r/a7s. I think with the EOS M3 they added hybrid AF...same system in the a7rII/a6300, but not as well executed. The dual pixel AF is a pretty big deal..at least on paper. You basically have a second set of pixels acting as phase detect points. From what we've seen in the likes of even the 1dXII the performance is about on par to sony's' hybrid AF systems...a little inferior in terms of tracking. The big upside is in how smooth the focus is for video. Either way, dual pixel AF has tremendous upside and its a big deal.

Couple that with the higher DR of Canon's latest sensors, and this is a legitimate contender to the a6300.


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Sep 09, 2016 18:03 |  #23847

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Sep 09, 2016 18:35 |  #23848

i'm tired of buying different sizes of ND filters. i want the square now with the holder/bracket.

shoot a suggestion please? go! :p

that way i can finally buy the rokinon 14mm f2.8


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Sep 09, 2016 19:08 |  #23849

vinmunoz wrote in post #18122682 (external link)
i'm tired of buying different sizes of ND filters. i want the square now with the holder/bracket.

shoot a suggestion please? go! :p

that way i can finally buy the rokinon 14mm f2.8

rokinon 14 needs a special filter holder, 160mm from what I recall.... that's HUGE.

look into the laowa everyone's been talking about, it's 12mm and takes normal squares


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Sep 09, 2016 19:11 |  #23850

Well, I'm somewhat disappointed in how the Batis 18 renders star bursts. Not as defined as the Loxia 21 for sure. I'm wondering what happened this morning. It was humid so maybe that's the reason. I'll post an example later tonight.

Nadim, did you have a similar experience?


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