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is AF snappy like a native lens?

I think I'll only borrow the 135L when I need it, dont think I can use it as an everyday carry. With the hood, it's a little too bulky for my taste. That said, I'll likely get the MB4 down the line. I've been considering selling my 1.4xiii, however if that works well, it can turn the 135L to ~180F2.8 with IBIS...............

damn, great to have options, bad on the bank account.

here's the size comparisons if anyone is interested. For my personal taste, the canon is simply too large as an everyday carry, especially with hood. However, without hood, it gets a bit smaller.... weight of the three shown are roughly same.

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vinmunoz wrote in post #17712254
is AF snappy like a native lens?

YES

way faster than the 70-200 2.8 II


did try moving the spot AF point all the way to the edge of the AF zone and you do run into some troubles but anywhere center and 1/2 left or right and you are good


the 70-200 F4 at the edges cannot achieve focus - in the center is is good - not as fast as the 135L

the 70-200 F2.8 is slightly faster than the F4 and can go further away from the middle than the F4 but again not as fast as the 135L

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17712295
YES

way faster than the 70-200 2.8 II

did try moving the spot AF point all the way to the edge of the AF zone and you do run into some troubles but anywhere center and 1/2 left or right and you are good

the 70-200 F4 at the edges cannot achieve focus - in the center is is good - not as fast as the 135L

the 70-200 F2.8 is slightly faster than the F4 and can go further away from the middle than the F4 but again not as fast as the 135L

What about the 70-200 f/2.8 zoomed in to 200mm? Is that improved at all, or still just hunts?

100-400II is better but it isn't BIF better

400mm will now grab focus but you need to put the lens limiter on 3m-infinity if you have it on full range it hunts 90% of the time at 400mm

was trying it outside in good light


my guess is that with a stronger higher amp battery it would work

the fact that the 35L, 50L, 85L and 135L all work basically means I will use the camera now in my wedding rotation

i have already worked it into the ceremony with the 24-70 F2.8 II for the silent mode (incredible) - but now with the F2 135L we are taking seriously useful (and again in silent mode)


2 thumbs up to Metabones

digital_AM wrote in post #17712205
Can someone test the canon 70-200 II with the updated adapter? I'm at work so I can't test. Can't really work either since I'm excited about the firmware update.

Okay, I may need some help here. I have the new firmware loaded into the MBIV and the EF 70-200 f/2.8L II mounted.

First thing I noticed is that when I try to engage and set the Steady Shot, the screen says "Invalid with this lens" Same thing happens if I try to set "Pre-AF" to ON.

However, I found the AF to be quite good. Both inside in relative low light and outside in bright sunshine or shade. Its almost as fast as my 1DIV. I used the 1DIV because it has the bigger battery and it drives the 70-200 better.

I'm still new to the Sony menus. I've used Colby Brown's 15 tips so far. Any other suggestions on menu settings will be appreciated.

bpaulette wrote in post #17712297
What about the 70-200 f/2.8 zoomed in to 200mm? Is that improved at all, or still just hunts?

it is NOT Canon fast but it does work - didn't get hunting

but

think it is slightly better with the 2.5m - infinity than on full range

also got it to hang once when i was switching the limiter switch back and forth testing

I approach things from a wedding perspective - i can't take changes:
- I now have 3 weddings with it on silent mode using the 24-70 F2.8 II during ceremony with zero problems (I give this setup a 10/10)
- for portraits with the 50L & 85L it is fantastic at low SS and wide open

The last 2 hour pre-wedding session I did, I carried 2 cameras each with one lens
- 5DSR with the Canon 24-105 F4 IS and a 600EX-rt
- A7R2 with a 24-70 F2.8 II
- If I needed fill flash or there was any movement towards me it was the 5DSR (BBF with in AI Servo mode) - everything else was silent mode with the A7R2

Charlie wrote in post #17712259
I think I'll only borrow the 135L when I need it, dont think I can use it as an everyday carry. With the hood, it's a little too bulky for my taste. That said, I'll likely get the MB4 down the line. I've been considering selling my 1.4xiii, however if that works well, it can turn the 135L to ~180F2.8 with IBIS...............

damn, great to have options, bad on the bank account.

here's the size comparisons if anyone is interested. For my personal taste, the canon is simply too large as an everyday carry, especially with hood. However, without hood, it gets a bit smaller.... weight of the three shown are roughly same.

What's the one in the middle? I recognize the FD on the left. I'm tempted by the 135L, but as you noted, the size is a bit too big and the FD 135 is a bit too good to give up.

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17712295
YES

way faster than the 70-200 2.8 II


did try moving the spot AF point all the way to the edge of the AF zone and you do run into some troubles but anywhere center and 1/2 left or right and you are good


the 70-200 F4 at the edges cannot achieve focus - in the center is is good - not as fast as the 135L

the 70-200 F2.8 is slightly faster than the F4 and can go further away from the middle than the F4 but again not as fast as the 135L

I noticed this same phenomenon with the Fotodiox adapter and the 70-200/4 IS. Moving the focus area to the edges causes the AF to stop working. In the center areas, it works great.

Timphoto wrote in post #17712309
Okay, I may need some help here. I have the new firmware loaded into the MBIV and the EF 70-200 f/2.8L II mounted.

First thing I noticed is that when I try to engage and set the Steady Shot, the screen says "Invalid with this lens" Same thing happens if I try to set "Pre-AF" to ON.

However, I found the AF to be quite good. Both inside in relative low light and outside in bright sunshine or shade. Its almost as fast as my 1DIV. I used the 1DIV because it has the bigger battery and it drives the 70-200 better.

I'm still new to the Sony menus. I've used Colby Brown's 15 tips so far. Any other suggestions on menu settings will be appreciated.

Sony menus are a pain in the butt. I'm still struggling with them even after owning a Sony for 6 months now.

What I gather is that with Canon IS lenses, through smart adapters, the Sony camera knows to obey the IS switch on the lens and greys out the "Steadyshot" menu item. Basically, it's controlled via the actual switch on the lens (same as it would have been on a Canon camera).

bpaulette wrote in post #17712297
What about the 70-200 f/2.8 zoomed in to 200mm? Is that improved at all, or still just hunts?

I have no previous frame of reference to judge if it's improved.

It does hunt in low light and is not consistent, but I need to do more tests to find the edge of the AF performance envelope. For now, I only would trust it in good light.

Puckman wrote in post #17712325
Sony menus are a pain in the butt. I'm still struggling with them even after owning a Sony for 6 months now.

What I gather is that with Canon IS lenses, through smart adapters, the Sony camera knows to obey the IS switch on the lens and greys out the "Steadyshot" menu item. Basically, it's controlled via the actual switch on the lens (same as it would have been on a Canon camera).

So if a non-native lens has IS, then IBIS can never be active? Only the lens IS works.

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17712305
100-400II is better but it isn't BIF better

400mm will now grab focus but you need to put the lens limiter on 3m-infinity if you have it on full range it hunts 90% of the time at 400mm

was trying it outside in good light


my guess is that with a stronger higher amp battery it would work

the fact that the 35L, 50L, 85L and 135L all work basically means I will use the camera now in my wedding rotation

i have already worked it into the ceremony with the 24-70 F2.8 II for the silent mode (incredible) - but now with the F2 135L we are taking seriously useful (and again in silent mode)


2 thumbs up to Metabones

Paul, how is the AF with the 70-200 2.8II when the lens starts off really de-focused after the update. That was the weakness of the 70-200 2.8II.

I just tried the 70-200 F2.8 II with the Stabilizer both On and Off and yes that message comes up - I would have thought that if IS was turned off then the camera's IBIS should have been able to work but it appears not to be the case - never thought of doing this and I don't think you should as IBIS is about 2 stops and the 70-200 F2.8 II has about 3.5 stops of IS with the lens.

If you put a non IS on, like the 135L, you can use the IBIS or turn it off.

Puckman wrote in post #17712325
What's the one in the middle? I recognize the FD on the left. I'm tempted by the 135L, but as you noted, the size is a bit too big and the FD 135 is a bit too good to give up.

Zeiss 100mm F2 Makro Planar.

Incredible lens for sure, I just struggle with the focal length being too short. I'll have to do some soul searching, the MP is an amazing lens, however I feel like I sold off the FD 135 a bit too early. I'm struggling to find a spot to fit the 135F2 into the lineup, but if I do, then the zeiss would be used strictly for events only, which doesnt sit well with me....

Timphoto wrote in post #17712336
So if a non-native lens has IS, then IBIS can never be active? Only the lens IS works.

IBIS should work in conjunction with an IS lens. Not sure whats wrong in your case.

That's what I thought too but you point out, the superior IS of the lens makes using IBIS a moot point.