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Have a 7d, should I upgrade to 7d2?

 
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Jul 25, 2015 14:13 |  #46
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Snydremark wrote in post #17643934 (external link)
Overall, this pretty much covers my workflow with the 7D files as well; the one change that I made to the "follow LR's flow down the Develop panel is that I go and do both color and standard NR BEFORE I do the sharpening step. I have found that doing sharpening first enhances existing noise so much that I run into the killing of the fine detail as mentioned above; whereas, by doing NR first I can apply a bit more aggressive sharpening to get the edge detail back out of fine bits (like feathers and hair). I normally base my sharpening strength on the ISO that I'm working with. 100 - 400, I will keep it right in the 20-40 range, but as I go up I'll go stronger. 640-1600 I'll usually get into the 50-70 range and above 1600 may get as high as 75.

Also, early on in the flow, be very VERY judicious in the use of the Clarity slider, as being too aggressive with it (15+ in most instances; I try to keep between 0 and 12 in nearly all cases) will further accentuate noise/add additional artifacts that can further kill detail and such when doing your NR/Sharpening routine later on.

An additional note on the color NR stage; only adjust this until the color patches you're noticing go away; anything beyond that is simply destroying detail and isn't helping anything.


One comment. Lightroom does not care which order you do things in. No matter the order, same settings yields the same results. But, I agree with you, some photos are easier to process by mixing up the operations a bit.

I agree that Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation are best used sparingly. I rarely go past 5 on Saturation.


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Jul 25, 2015 14:51 as a reply to  @ GeoKras1989's post |  #47

Found that using Adobe Faithful instead of Adobe Standard to start with yields better results. Also if your looking for lifelike photos that don't look like your adding to much "ketchup and mustard" in your photos while editing going down on Saturation and up on Vibrancy is the way to go. Canon overall likes to over saturate. My 2cents.


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Jul 25, 2015 14:58 |  #48
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jkdjedi wrote in post #17644109 (external link)
Found that using Adobe Faithful instead of Adobe Standard to start with yields better results. Also if your looking for lifelike photos that don't look like your adding to much "ketchup and mustard" in your photos while editing going down on Saturation and up on Vibrancy is the way to go. Canon overall likes to over saturate. My 2cents.

Are you referring to Adobe color space and Faithful/Standard Picture Styles? I've never seen them 'mixed' together. I do everything in SRGB. It gets me really good results for prints at Walmart. If I know I am heavily processing (ISO 6400 on 60D, 12800 on 6D), I use Neutral (0,0,0,0). I think it gives me the most recovery headroom.


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Jul 25, 2015 16:48 |  #49

I'm pretty sure in LR if you de-noise first and then sharpen, it does it in that order, if you save it in a preset, it doesnt. I believe that is outlined in Teamspeed's sticky.


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Jul 25, 2015 18:47 |  #50

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17644120 (external link)
Are you referring to Adobe color space and Faithful/Standard Picture Styles? I've never seen them 'mixed' together. I do everything in SRGB. It gets me really good results for prints at Walmart. If I know I am heavily processing (ISO 6400 on 60D, 12800 on 6D), I use Neutral (0,0,0,0). I think it gives me the most recovery headroom.

Lightroom. I think I posted in the wrong thread. :D


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Aug 27, 2015 02:41 as a reply to  @ jkdjedi's post |  #51

Well, I finally did it, upgraded to the 7d2 and I love it, totally impressed with the iso performance (not as good as my 6d but hugely better than the 7d1) burst and AF are amazing, selecting different af modes is set up really well, I've still got a lot to lean but so far so good.
I'm off to the zoo with my kids this weekend so that will be a good test for it.


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Aug 27, 2015 07:09 as a reply to  @ Milutiche's post |  #52

Congrats.

I really enjoy using mine.


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Aug 29, 2015 20:59 |  #53

Was thinking about buying the 7d2 from b&h with the rebate deal they have going on now. I have the 7d now and mainly shoot people. This is all just a hobby but the first thing I noticed was the shadow noise. So from what I've read here that with a little more pp the 7d2 isn't that big of an upgrade if the main thing is the noisy shadows?

The 7d was a decent upgrade for me coming from a 40d.




  
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Aug 29, 2015 21:23 |  #54

Joining the 7D2 party as well! Just ordered the B&H bundle. If I can move the printer, I can bring the camera price to less than $1200 which isn't bad at all. Should have the camera in my hands in time for my birthday next Saturday! :D


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Aug 30, 2015 03:37 |  #55

Just payed for a gently used 7dii... ships Monday, be here for my 3 day trip to Yellowstone Park.


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Aug 30, 2015 04:05 |  #56
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So, I had to shoot an awards dinner, no control of set up or lighting, and (hated to do it) but had to ramp up the ISO...to 1000 and 1600 later on...

Spent a lot of time PP'ing the images and, while i'm sure the wife's boss will like them, i'm not that happy with them...


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Aug 31, 2015 11:06 |  #57

FWIW, different people have different requirements for noise/detail. Viewing on a monitor, printing and submitting images to sites where the images are reviewed at the 100% level are very different things.

No point trying to sling the "pixel peeper" label around at people who need clean images with maximum detail just because you are happy with your images.

Also FWIW I used my 7D for the above purposes. Loved the prints but wasn't able to get stock shots accepted much above iso 800. Still a great camera.
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Aug 31, 2015 14:18 |  #58

STIC wrote in post #17688362 (external link)
So, I had to shoot an awards dinner, no control of set up or lighting, and (hated to do it) but had to ramp up the ISO...to 1000 and 1600 later on...

Spent a lot of time PP'ing the images and, while i'm sure the wife's boss will like them, i'm not that happy with them...

The darkroom still exists today, even with digital. The right tools for raw and JPG still matter as much as chemicals in the prior days, and technique still matters as well.

Do you have a raw or two that you can share, showing us your JPG output?


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Aug 31, 2015 14:24 |  #59

well worth it on the 7d2




  
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