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Mar 01, 2006 11:46 |  #1

I am on a low budget and am setting up a studio in my basement. I can not afford flash umbrellas or strobes. Can I get away with regular lighting as long as I turn them off when I'm done? (fire hazard). I am planing on buying Daylight100 lightbulbs. They are the equivalent of 100 watts of regular lighting, but only use 23 watts themselves. They are the light of daylight, not a florecent or tungsten, so I thought it'd work well. I will be using 4 bulbs to light my subject(s). Plus my own flash. Is this possible, or am I grasping at an unattainable goal. Love to hear your feedback.:confused:


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Mar 01, 2006 11:48 |  #2

Any lights can be used if you can diffuse them properly to achieve soft lighting if desired. Just make sure all of your bulbs are identical. Don't mix daylight with tungsten and/or flourescent, etc or you'll have an impossible time with white balance.


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Mar 01, 2006 12:58 |  #3

Is continuous lighting really a fire hazard?????




  
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Mar 01, 2006 13:05 as a reply to  @ MontrealMitch's post |  #4

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Is continuous lighting really a fire hazard?????

If you walk away from it and something bad happens...and it happens to be the type that gets hot...


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Mar 01, 2006 13:08 |  #5

rcarey wrote:
I am planing on buying Daylight100 lightbulbs. They are the equivalent of 100 watts of regular lighting, but only use 23 watts themselves. They are the light of daylight, not a florecent or tungsten, so I thought it'd work well.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the bulbs you refer to are daylight balanced fluorescents. Even "daylight" fluorescents are prone to the limitations of fluorescent lighting.

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Mar 01, 2006 13:18 |  #6

I have daylight bulbs in my cheap little lamps that I used for product photography before I bought my softbox. I didn't really have any problems with them that I can remember...


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Mar 01, 2006 13:31 |  #7

rcarey wrote:
They are the equivalent of 100 watts of regular lighting, but only use 23 watts themselves. They are the light of daylight, not a florecent or tungsten, so I thought it'd work well. I will be using 4 bulbs to light my subject(s). Plus my own flash. Is this possible, or am I grasping at an unattainable goal. Love to hear your feedback.:confused:

I would suggest that you do some experimentation with the bulbs. Like Curtis, I believe the bulbs you are referring to are in fact flourescent lamps. They probably switch at the power line frequency. If so, you will have some problems with shutter speeds other than 1/30th, 1/60th, and 1/120th second (in the US or other areas with 60Hz power).

Here's the test to run: Set up the camera on a tripod and aim at a tabletop subject illuminated ONLY by the flourescent lamp(s). Turn off any standard incandescent lamps in the area. Shoot a series of photos at the highest shutter speed you can get with the lens wide open. That shutter speed should be significantly faster than 1/120th second to really have the test be useful. If what I suspect is true, you will have a series of photos with varying brightness and varying color cast.

Some flourescent lamps have high-frequency ballasts and will not have the problem I describe above. I can't begin to tell you what lamps to look for to get the high-frequency ballasts.

Conventional (non-flourescent) "hot" lights are fine to do photographic work with, especially since you can easily compensate for the color cast (white balance) when using most modern digital cameras. You do have the heat to contend with, and therefore your subject may suffer.

I would NOT recommend mixing flash with any other light source except true daylight. You will often have very difficult-to-control white balance problems when mixing light sources.


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Mar 01, 2006 14:25 |  #8

Hi, bit OT but I was playing with daylight fluorescent at the weekend as a bit of an experiment, used just one of these lights http://www.karlu.com …1_66_585&produc​ts_id=8942 (external link) as the room is painted white and there was a fair bit of reflection. The results are here http://www.pbase.com/k​urvitasch/joanne_2006 (external link) and overall we were pretty pleased with the result - so simple to use, Jo said the light was not too glaring, may be of interest, whatever - remember to have fun!


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Mar 01, 2006 15:54 as a reply to  @ Julian Plant's post |  #9

Julian Plant wrote:
Hi, bit OT but I was playing with daylight fluorescent at the weekend as a bit of an experiment, used just one of these lights http://www.karlu.com …1_66_585&produc​ts_id=8942 (external link) as the room is painted white and there was a fair bit of reflection. The results are here http://www.pbase.com/k​urvitasch/joanne_2006 (external link) and overall we were pretty pleased with the result - so simple to use, Jo said the light was not too glaring, may be of interest, whatever - remember to have fun!

Julian, I don't think this is OT at all. In fact it seems to be just what the OP was looking for. Welcome to the board, by the way.

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I don't have any experience with lighting yet, but want to welcome you to the board.


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Mar 01, 2006 16:03 |  #10

Plain bulbs put out very little light compared with a flash, and give you less control over the light. You soon learn that controlling the light and managing the shadows is key to good portrait photography. Read the studio light sticky thread/faq for more reasons constant lighting is bad.

On a budget it'll be better than the alternatives - ie darkness in your basement or built in flash ;)


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Mar 01, 2006 20:50 |  #11

use the cheap stuff. I had three clip on reflectors with 100 watt regular bulbs in them and they were fine. just diffuse the light with sheets hung in front of, but NOT close to the light source. oh yeah, keep a fire extinguisher handy. otherwise, it can be helpful when learning how to control shadows.




  
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Mar 01, 2006 20:52 |  #12

Thanks guys...a lot of different answers, but I think they taught me to learn from trying things and practicing. Thanks again.


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