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Jun 22, 2015 02:42 |  #31

nope can't say I have. I haven't sat in front of any crt in many many years.

but it does remind me of the film vs digital debate.


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Jun 22, 2015 05:44 |  #32

Mark0159 wrote in post #17606088 (external link)
nope can't say I have. I haven't sat in front of any crt in many many years.

but it does remind me of the film vs digital debate.

Black levels and contrast ratio are still the nagging points with LCD displays, and it's noticeable even in my high-end NEC that is otherwise peerless in other aspects, which should've been sorted with OLED and similar technologies, but those aren't suitable for monitor use it seems. Not that I think that black levels need to be insanely deep on a graphics display, for print simulation most displays will reduce brightness and contrast anyway, since paper doesn't glow.

Ultimately, you could always put in a pre-order for this guy: http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …4k_4096x2160_ip​s_lcd.html (external link)
It has a 1500:1 CR among other things, which if they state the calibrated value, gives it a good 50~80% more contrast than other color-accurate displays. Throw in a Quadro for 10-bit color, and you'll never need another display for-freaking-ever.


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Jun 22, 2015 11:02 |  #33

Well, I could get a multi $K Eizo, or even a good NEC for over a grand, and then I'd be close to the FW500 which I paid for back in 2000....

I was contemplating a new main screen when i was pulling my hair out getting the intel to cooperate. But if the fix is a free t me (or even cheap) graphics card, then why bother.

One of the other aspects of CRT Vs. LCD that many do not mention, is "Shapness", now do not confuse this with things like text legibility, as they can be polar opposites.

The Dell IPS that sits next to the CRT displays all images sharper then the CRT. This is a bad thing, as the sharpness is artificial. It is not in the image. With the LCD every dot is an individual and of you get in close you can see it. This lends a super defined look to an image when viewed at correct distance. The CRT pixels have a mcro bleed that is very similar to what occurs when you put a micr droplet of ink onto paper.

We can find some advantages for the CRT for someone working on images for printing.

Any image I have output sharpened for printing will look fantastic on the CRT. It will look sharp and correct. That same image on my LCD looks over-sharpened.

When using as LCD to proof, I can not gauge the level of sharpening required until I print. Prints need (or can sustain) a good deal more sharpening than when viewing on an LCD.

I get called out on this often on the forum with images I post, "way too heavy on the sharpening" etc. and this is due to the fact that I am seeing it looking good on my CRT, and it will print well, whereas most reading now on the forum are seeing it on an LCD.


While at the same time text on the CRT is much easier to read, the additional smoothing of the text makes it less harsh and more readable.

Obviously some day this monitor will die.
Until that time whatever I can do to use it, I will try :)


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Jun 22, 2015 11:10 |  #34

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but it does remind me of the film vs digital debate.

At first I did not see the comparison, but with some thought I think you are closer to the way of it than you imagined.

Even in the beginning digital had some advantages over film, while the rest of the playing field needed more evolution before digital caught up, and then eventually surpassed film for most needs.

LCDs have been in much the same kind of foot race, and in recent years they have won on pretty much all fronts, just like digital vs. film.
However, there are still some places where film wins, and ten years ago there were many more.
LCDs have clearly won. You can't buy a new CRT anymore (for all intents and purposes) and the LCD advantages are many. But it took a very long time. Longer than Digital Vs, Film IMHO, (film ,a also something hard to buy now ) and there are still some places where the CRT wins.

If I were a gamer, I'd be all over the big CRT still as the beautiful IPS is pants at FPS.


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Jun 22, 2015 14:17 |  #35

Get the 24" NEC 4K display and you won't have a problem with sharpness, the pixel density will be way too high for the pixel structure to get in the way, and it's about the same screen size as your CRT.

But I feel that this is a personal point as I've had the opposite experience. Namely, I bought a new camera while visiting a friend in New York, and his 5K iMac was the only computer I could get my first look at my images on, and I was impressed by the clarity of the image.
Going back to my same-size display back home but with 4x less pixels, I noticed that images weren't as sharp as I initially thought, because pixel-level blur or mis-focus were obscured by being unable to visually discern pixels. Essentially, viewing images at 100% magnification on his display is like inspecting images at 50% on mine. This can of course be remedied by using 200% on 4/5K displays instead, but it threw me off initially.


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Jun 22, 2015 14:20 |  #36

In all honesty I've never looked at a 4K screen!
My comparison above has been with more conventional (or old) LCD screen resolutions.


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Jun 22, 2015 14:33 |  #37

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In all honesty I've never looked at a 4K screen!
My comparison above has been with more conventional (or old) LCD screen resolutions.

You should, it's rather impressive for what it is.

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If I were a gamer, I'd be all over the big CRT still as the beautiful IPS is pants at FPS.

Allow me then to introduce you to the Acer XB270HU: http://www.tftcentral.​co.uk/reviews/acer_xb2​70hu.htm (external link)
144hz, 27" 1440p IPS panel, Nvidia G-Sync, 2.75ms input lag, and 6.9ms GtG.

Essentially, this monitor is so fast, that it can update and put out images as fast as it's frame rate, which is astonishing fast.

Alternatively, you can put it into ULMB mode and have it strobe at 100hz for CRT-like motion, or 85hz if you prefer.


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Jun 22, 2015 16:21 |  #38

Shifting gears from Monitors to drive speed..  :p



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