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Jun 16, 2015 21:00 |  #1

Seriously have thought of moving to a Sony a6000 for my sports body. Currently use the 1D3 with a 70-200 2.8 IS, so I'd need an adapter that would cash in on the high shutter speed. $400 for the high end metebones adapter is a bit pricey though.

I pretty much have to deal with bad AF when shooting night sports and use my 6D. It handles light great; but AF isn't the best for night sports.

The a6000 seems to have solid AF and high shutter speed. Will it rock with my EF glass?


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Jun 16, 2015 22:05 |  #2

Here's my opinion... for what it is worth. I bought the A6000, with the "world's fastest autofocus and tracking", with the idea of using it as an additional camera for sports. I used the settings recommended by my "Sony Personal Concierge". To date, my keeper rate is unacceptably low. In the high speed mode the autofocus cannot keep up with the frame rate, so that feature is a moot point. The medium frame rate is not much better. I took 1000 shots with the A6000 at an IMSA race and my keeper rate was zero. It is a great camera for landscapes and other static shots, but if the subject moves faster than a jogger it becomes a non-performer. The solution may be your 6D/70-200 2.8 IS - I shot the Rolex 24 hours with that combo as well as a 7D and the 6D got the job done in the middle of the night.


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Jun 16, 2015 22:07 as a reply to  @ magoosmc's post |  #3

I appreciate your honesty! Seemed too good to be true. I like the idea of having a second video shooting camera as well; so perhaps that may be a replacement for my wife EOSm...


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Jun 16, 2015 22:25 |  #4

I've shot a bit of video with it ,some with Canon lenses, and it seems to do a pretty good job. Adapter was Fotodiox Pro Lens Mount Auto Adapter. The current news regarding video is the latest firmware update:
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Jun 17, 2015 12:05 |  #5

javapop wrote in post #17599951 (external link)
Seriously have thought of moving to a Sony a6000 for my sports body. Currently use the 1D3 with a 70-200 2.8 IS, so I'd need an adapter that would cash in on the high shutter speed. $400 for the high end metebones adapter is a bit pricey though.

I pretty much have to deal with bad AF when shooting night sports and use my 6D. It handles light great; but AF isn't the best for night sports.

The a6000 seems to have solid AF and high shutter speed. Will it rock with my EF glass?

I have an A6000 and while it is a nice camera, it is not a sports body. And definitely not a low light sports body. And absolutely no way a sports body when using Canon lenses on it through metabones :) The only mirrorless that can be considered a genuine alternative to DSLRs for tracking is the new NX1 which from most repots tracks as well or better than a 7D. And that too using its native lenses of course.

What exactly is your issue with the 1D3 that you hope to solve with the A6000?

As for A6000 to replace an EOS-M, thats exactly what I did - I went from an EOS M from A6000 for my "compact" camera. In some ways its a good move, in other ways not so much. EOS-M + 22mm f2 is a delightfully small combo which you won't find in A6000 land. The color balance on A6000 is very different in low light indoor shots. EOS-M has the typical Canon rendering which I find more pleasing. The EOS-M glass is generally cheaper. On the other hand A6000 has cleaner high ISO, faster AF, built in EVF, you get more native lenses including some high-end ones.




  
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Jun 17, 2015 12:06 as a reply to  @ wonderer's post |  #6

can i have your old one? lol


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Jun 17, 2015 12:26 as a reply to  @ wonderer's post |  #7

The main thing I was hoping was the high shutter speed rate, and AF... which I see there's issues on both now, but video is a biggy as well. The 1D3 is an awesome sports body; but it gets tricky after the sun goes down.The lack of video limits it to just one use.

The built in EVF on the a6000 is really huge. The AF is really an issue on ver 1 of EOS m and is frustrating to my wife. The video it shoots is pretty bad next to my 6D footage, well, I have been using the VAF-6D anti alias filter which is a big help; but moire is awful with the EOS m.


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Jun 17, 2015 12:31 |  #8

This is a project I did last month, https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=Tg51nCqIzLM (external link) that I used the 6D with VAF-6D and a few shots from the EOSm (1:59) It was hard to really match.

So, I guess I need to get my hands on a a6000 maybe renting for a few days, and do some comparisons. Maybe the EOSm will just have to do!


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Jun 17, 2015 12:33 |  #9

javapop wrote in post #17600727 (external link)
The AF is really an issue on ver 1 of EOS m and is frustrating to my wife

Yep I was in the same boat. Wife used EOS-M for kid videos and the AF drove her crazy as it kept hunting through the video with things out of focus half of the time. A6000 is much better in that respect. I might at some point try EOS-M3 but for now I am sticking with A6000.




  
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Jun 17, 2015 12:38 |  #10

Any reason not to consider the 7D2?


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Jun 17, 2015 21:01 as a reply to  @ ksbal's post |  #11

I tried out the 7D2 (CPS loan) shooting basketball earlier this year, and while it is fast and AF responsive, it got noisy at higher ISOs. I shoot at 6400 typically in my local HS gym, the 1D3 is grainy; but usable, I did not see an improvement with the 7D2. It looked worst to me.


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Jun 19, 2015 22:25 |  #12

I recently went through a period of just less than two months where I had a crazy cluster of work come up where I had to buy a second body, as I just couldn't borrow my father's crop body one like I had in the past. The 60D was an easy purchase to make, as it was my first Canon and I found a great copy for just $400.

Being that I owned a 60D for 2.5 years, I knew its limitations shooting low light sports plenty from shooting high school field and court sports with it. What I hadn't counted on was how spoiled I had become by the 6D's low light IQ--which is head and shoulders above the 60D shooting RAW. Even though the 6D is less-than ideal to shoot sports with due to tracking focus and FPS shortcomings, I'll grab it every time unless I need the reach.

That said, I'm keeping a close eye on Sony. They just released some more outstanding prime lenses and of course the a7rII is coming, and I also heard an important firmware update is coming any day for the a6000. I've been pretty impressed with some of the sports shots in the a6000 thread, although maybe not enough to switch over as of yet.


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Jun 20, 2015 12:11 as a reply to  @ mickeyb105's post |  #13

I guess thats where I stand as well! I don't think I'll let go of my 1D3 quite yet; but I'm with you regarding the 6D. You have to work a little harder; but it brings me back to early days shooting sports manual focus with film... you have to anticipate, and be ready.

Cant wait to try the a6000 though!!


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Jun 20, 2015 12:54 |  #14

1D Mark IV seems like the obvious solution to any concerns about ISO.
I've shot this frequently at ~6400 ISO and .jpg SOOC look acceptable. A little bit of NR and I image they would look great.
Also Mark IV prices have REALLY come down since the introduction of the 7D2.




  
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Jun 20, 2015 13:21 as a reply to  @ javapop's post |  #15

Hmmm, I want to say I disagree with your assumption that the 7D2 performed worse than the 1d3. I have only used that camera once, but I walked away very unimpressed with image quality for both RAW and JPEG. Granted, this was like 2008
and I was comparing it to my 5D...and I knew much less back then.

A major factor being file size. You're comparing a 10mp image to a 20mp image. Resizing an image from the 7D2 to those dimensions will see a sharp improvement over the small 1d3 file. Still, I think the 7D2 is a very good performer in low light considering its APS-C sensor size. I'd give it another look and try to do a more direct comparison with images.


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