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Apr 08, 2016 23:34 |  #647

"MaxteK" and Wasabi batteries here. ALthough I do see a slight gain in battery time using Canon OEM's the Canons batterys extra time gain ( maybe 10-15%) isnt enough to warrant paying over double the price.

Just make sure if you go with the non OEM good brand names like Wasabi, Maxtek etc that you make sure the battery onboard chipset is compatible with the 5dsr camera firmware as Canon changed things on the 7dMk2 , 5dMK3 , 5DSR etc so that the Camera body would sense its a 3rd party battery and thus refuse to give real time battery info on remaining charge by way of an error message.

The 2 brands mentioned above should be fine....thats ofcourse till any firmware update Canon brings out for 5DSR which will probably again cripple the 3rd party battery compatibility of some of the batterey brands until they develop new chips

Just an aside to this I saw some time back an interesting post where 5dMk3 users who used 3rd party batteries with 100% chip compatibility to the 5dmk3 Camera noticed when they updated firmware they lost the battery chip compatibility /communication because the new updated camera firmare was now creating an error message. . So for those owners they might have easily been able to argue that Canon deliberately crippled the ability of their working 3rd party batteries chips in order to force people to pay double for Canon batteries.

Although for the 7DMk2 ,5DSR this is a different story because these cameras shipped on release with new firmware that basically sensed most 3rd party batteries and spat an error message from scratch....In other words these newer cameras were bought with this feature( Non Compatibility with 3rd party bartteries) already in place and this wasnt intoduced at a later date by Canon ..so to a certain extent its buyer beware for NEW 3rd party batteries being compatible 100% with these newer cameras. . . However if Canon do issue a firmare upgrade that does infact spit out an error message on previously purchased 3rd party brands that ARE currently working 100% with the these cameras then I would like to see what happens in the area of the consumer rights . Here in Australia I think unless they( Canon) could argue there was a clear and necessary reason for a future firmware update to cripple these working 3rd party batteries other than to force people to buy their OEM batteries they may infact be breaching some areas of our consumer law. Would be interesting to say the least :)

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Apr 08, 2016 23:36 |  #648

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"MaxteK" and Wasabi batteries here. ALthough I do see a slight gain in battery time using Canon OEM's the Canons batterys extra time gain ( maybe 10-15%) isnt enough to warrant paying over double the price.

Just make sure if you go with the non OEM good brand names like Wasabi, Maxtek etc that you make sure the battery onboard chipset is compatible with the 5dsr camera firmware as Canon changed things on the 7dMk2 , 5dMK3 , 5DSR etc so that the Camera body wouldnt sense the 3rd party battery and thus could get no real time battery info on remaining charge etc . The 2 brands mentioned above should be fine....thats ofcourse till any firmware update Canon brings out for 5DSR which will probably again cripple the OEM chipset compatibility

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Yeah, that explains things actually. These were the old batteries I used with my 5D3. It would definitely suck if they gimp them on the next firmware update.


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Apr 08, 2016 23:53 |  #649

Over 3 grand on the camera, I'll bite the bullet and pay an extra $25-30. for Canon's batteries & have no worries.


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Apr 09, 2016 01:24 |  #650

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Over 3 grand on the camera, I'll bite the bullet and pay an extra $25-30. for Canon's batteries & have no worries.

You guys are lucky in the States as you have those massive consumer/population numbers that help to force Canon down on their prices ....lucky you guys :) .And for us poor people downunder we have to put up with Canon gouging on their OEM batteries at approx $90.00- $100 AUD vs Amazon 3rd party batteriess at appox 30.00 AUD....And even worse I think for Nikon users here . I remember mate of mine was complaining once to me that his batterys cost around 130.00 for his D3s....

I was in Sydney over Easter and forgot to take my batteries with me for the 5DSR and had no choice but to bite the bullet on a couple of batteries for the camera grip at 90.00AUD each. That was whopping 180AUD for the 2 and I needed 2 for the work I was doing as teh 5dsr is hungry hungry especially as IS is running most of the time. Infact it was so expensive I kept taking them out of the battery grip every now and then just to simply stare at the Canon logo/brand on the battery in order to feel better about this crazy cost I had just incurred for a couple of simple camera batteries :) :)

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Apr 09, 2016 02:09 |  #651

Tapeman wrote in post #17965500 (external link)
Over 3 grand on the camera, I'll bite the bullet and pay an extra $25-30. for Canon's batteries & have no worries.

Your point is well taken, but I could get two of them and a charger for $30 or one Canon for $65. But yeah. ;)


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Apr 09, 2016 06:34 |  #652

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Maybe I'll buy the Wasabi kit. I don't remember which off brand mine are, but I know they're not Wasabi.


I also heard that there are some larger capacity 3rd party batteries similar to the new larger capacity Canon ones brought out same time they released the 5dsr?. I havnt seen them around but would be interested if any one ehre has used them in their 5dsr and if they are available what brand and where can they be sourced.


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Apr 09, 2016 07:40 |  #653

clipper_from_oz wrote in post #17965545 (external link)
Infact it was so expensive I kept taking them out of the battery grip every now and then just to simply stare at the Canon logo/brand on the battery in order to feel better about this crazy cost I had just incurred for a couple of simple camera batteries :) :)

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LOL! That is funny. And it's even funnier because I can see myself doing the exact same thing!

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Apr 09, 2016 11:35 |  #654

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Hi
To put it in perspective your 5DSR photos and review like comments, made me buy a 5DS R. And I am grateteful to you everyday I use it.

But I need to ask, IMO this picture is iPhone6 standard. Grainy OOF and lacks the dreamy detail a 5DSR usually delivers.
Was this meant to be an example of the camera shake effect?
Or were you happy with it :-/

I ask because, I did one shoot where suddenly I lost that lovely sharp glossy type detail and all the images looked very so so!! I Was gutted.
This was shot in studio with a reasonable 70-200L F2.8 II with IS on at ISO 160 shutter speed 1/160 and F11 ( its technical sweet spot). Using 4x GM500 Pro studio flashes , metered etc.
I cant beleive it was a camera shake issue with those lights etc.

Luckily at the next shoot all the good stuff came back!
Stupidly being so disolutioned as I reviewed them I trashed them all 50 or so!

Since then done 6 shoots circa 400 images each - all was OK.

I wondered if the lens had been partially unlocked or something.
But when I saw your image I thought can these cameras have on off day! Or temporarily go nuts!

To me its very worrying i.e can I Trust it.
I decided if it happened again I would drive it over to the CPS in Elstree ( they are great ) but as I hate couriers, its about 45 mins each way.


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Apr 09, 2016 11:49 |  #655

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Hi
To put it in perspective your 5DSR photos and review like comments, made me buy a 5DS R. And I am grateteful to you everyday I use it.

But I need to ask, IMO this picture is iPhone6 standard. Grainy OOF and lacks the dreamy detail a 5DSR usually delivers.
Was this meant to be an example of the camera shake effect?
Or were you happy with it :-/

I ask because, I did one shoot where suddenly I lost that lovely sharp glossy type detail and all the images looked very so so!! I Was gutted.
This was shot in studio with a reasonable 70-200L F2.8 II with IS on at ISO 160 shutter speed 1/160 and F11 ( its technical sweet spot). Using 4x GM500 Pro studio flashes , metered etc.
I cant beleive it was a camera shake issue with those lights etc.

Luckily at the next shoot all the good stuff came back!
Stupidly being so disolutioned as I reviewed them I trashed them all 50 or so!

Since then done 6 shoots circa 400 images each - all was OK.

I wondered if the lens had heen partially unlocked or something.
But when I saw your image I thought can these cameras have on off day! Or temporarily go nuts!

To me its very worrying i.e can I Trust it.
I decided if it happened again I would drive it over to the CPS in Elstree ( they are great ) but as I hate couriers, its about 45 mins each way.


I'm nearly positive what you are seeing in this picture specifically is the enormous amount of PS work I did to hide a bunch of stuff using cloning the pink flowers over and over - as well as other cloning. I know what I did so it is very obviously to me. Your eye has clearly found it - 20% of that picture is cloned. I actually did this exercise to see what I could get away with. The 5DSR, because of the pixel density, allows you to do way more than you should ever do to save or fix a picture that you might usually throw away. Nice catch. The bride and her mother loved it so I feel I created something which wasn't there to begin with so it was a freebee.


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Apr 09, 2016 11:56 |  #656

clipper_from_oz wrote in post #17965545 (external link)
You guys are lucky in the States as you have those massive consumer/population numbers that help to force Canon down on their prices ....lucky you guys :) .And for us poor people downunder we have to put up with Canon gouging on their OEM batteries at approx $90.00- $100 AUD vs Amazon 3rd party batteriess at appox 30.00 AUD....And even worse I think for Nikon users here . I remember mate of mine was complaining once to me that his batterys cost around 130.00 for his D3s....

I was in Sydney over Easter and forgot to take my batteries with me for the 5DSR and had no choice but to bite the bullet on a couple of batteries for the camera grip at 90.00AUD each. That was whopping 180AUD for the 2 and I needed 2 for the work I was doing as teh 5dsr is hungry hungry especially as IS is running most of the time. Infact it was so expensive I kept taking them out of the battery grip every now and then just to simply stare at the Canon logo/brand on the battery in order to feel better about this crazy cost I had just incurred for a couple of simple camera batteries :) :)

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Your problem in Australia is that it's expensive to ship there? At least from the US and Europe. Maybe China and Japan is closer.


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Apr 09, 2016 11:58 |  #657

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Got this Black Shouldered Kite today . Used a new camo poncho I got off ali express for 20.00 and it got me from around 50 meters out to within approx 5 meters of the Kite..Took a while one step at a time but it was worth it..I was almost eyeballing him nose to nose it felt that close :)....Its by far the closest Ive ever got to a Kite in the wild.

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Apr 09, 2016 12:00 |  #658

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Hi
To put it in perspective your 5DSR photos and review like comments, made me buy a 5DS R. And I am grateteful to you everyday I use it.

But I need to ask, IMO this picture is iPhone6 standard. Grainy OOF and lacks the dreamy detail a 5DSR usually delivers.
Was this meant to be an example of the camera shake effect?
Or were you happy with it :-/

I ask because, I did one shoot where suddenly I lost that lovely sharp glossy type detail and all the images looked very so so!! I Was gutted.
This was shot in studio with a reasonable 70-200L F2.8 II with IS on at ISO 160 shutter speed 1/160 and F11 ( its technical sweet spot). Using 4x GM500 Pro studio flashes , metered etc.
I cant beleive it was a camera shake issue with those lights etc.

Luckily at the next shoot all the good stuff came back!
Stupidly being so disolutioned as I reviewed them I trashed them all 50 or so!

Since then done 6 shoots circa 400 images each - all was OK.

I wondered if the lens had been partially unlocked or something.
But when I saw your image I thought can these cameras have on off day! Or temporarily go nuts!

To me its very worrying i.e can I Trust it.
I decided if it happened again I would drive it over to the CPS in Elstree ( they are great ) but as I hate couriers, its about 45 mins each way.

It could be your flash duration is too long at 1/160 and whatever power setting you were using with your gemini?


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Apr 09, 2016 13:11 |  #659

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I'm nearly positive what you are seeing in this picture specifically is the enormous amount of PS work I did to hide a bunch of stuff using cloning the pink flowers over and over - as well as other cloning. I know what I did so it is very obviously to me. Your eye has clearly found it - 20% of that picture is cloned. I actually did this exercise to see what I could get away with. The 5DSR, because of the pixel density, allows you to do way more than you should ever do to save or fix a picture that you might usually throw away. Nice catch. The bride and her mother loved it so I feel I created something which wasn't there to begin with so it was a freebee.

Thanks, yep that would explain it. But doesnt explain my glitch!
Which was so so so embarassing.
Nearly screwed up a really great referall - luckily it wasnt a full shoot. And thank god she adored the images taken at the proper follow up shoot.


My problem is I dont have a backup. So need to totally rely on this kit. Yes I have adecent ish backup lens
And having lashed out on a new 4K Xeon Workstation cant see that budget appearing.
But the 5DS R has already paid for itself well the upgrade at least.


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Apr 09, 2016 13:17 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #660

Thanks, but dont think so as its my standard setting, i.e the minimum for the 5DIII withthe old GM500Rs whose flash duration was 1/1100 sec, admittedly not tested where banding comes in on the 5DS R, and the actual flash duration itself is only 1/2,900 of a sec on the Upgraded GM500Pro Bowens stuff.
Hence I dont think its to do with the flash duration. And I always meter the scene periodically at stance changes eg standing and sitting and floor work.

Hioefully it was the lens undoing a little, that happens due to the weight of the 70-200L II and being left handed one can accidentally press that release button.


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