Sony A7R II impression and images

According to the DXO mark scores, no material improvement at base ISO compared to the older exmor sensor (D810 used as a proxy to the original a7r), but significant improvement at higher ISO. With the older exmor sensor (D810 and a7r), the DR advantages compared to the Canon are basically null by ISO 600 or so, but thanks to the signal boost (inherited from the a7s) at ISO640, the a7rII consistently has at least a 1 stop advantage over the 5DSR throughout the ISO range.

Note, the D810's composite score for DR is skewed, since its measured at a native ISO of 64. At ISO 100, the D810's DR is not materially better than the a7rII.

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No personal experience but from what I read the Sony 16-35 if a fantastic lens.

Sounds like they're not ready yet with the lenses.......will be a very nice system once they are though!

Plenty ready for me. Depends what you shoot

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Yay! New Toys! Oh crap, Metabones IV doesn't get here until tomorrow.

Congrats!! I just got my own 24-70L II yesterday as well. Only thing I don't have is an a7R II.

mystik610 wrote in post #17686084
My interpretation: the a7rII's sensor is probably the most well rounded sensor in the market right now.

Well said Carlo. I agree.

Fortunately (for me who doesn't have an a7R II) better DXO scores don't necessarily translate to better pictures and even though my 5DS R doesn't measure up I am still really excited about what I can do with it. These are amazing times - awesome FF sensors avaialble in cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony.

The most surprising and delighting measurement in the DXO measurements is that great color sensitivity result for the a7R II. Most impressive.

Enjoy your superior camera!!

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #17686702
Sounds like they're not ready yet with the lenses.......will be a very nice system once they are though!

The 11-24mm plays nice on the a7R and would be even more amazing on the a7R II!

I bet! I've come to the conclusion that I don't think I could count on this body with an adapter if I shoot a wedding. If I was to do that, I'd trust the native lenses quite a bit more and their line up just isn't there yet.......I'm sure it will be very soon though. I think the 5DSR or D810 would still be a better fit for myself at this time, but damn I would like to shed some weight from my pack! Anyone think Nikon will be using this sensor soon?

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #17686828
I bet! I've come to the conclusion that I don't think I could count on this body with an adapter if I shoot a wedding. If I was to do that, I'd trust the native lenses quite a bit more and their line up just isn't there yet.......I'm sure it will be very soon though. I think the 5DSR or D810 would still be a better fit for myself at this time, but damn I would like to shed some weight from my pack! Anyone think Nikon will be using this sensor soon?

The D810 came out just a year ago - seems like the D820 (or whatever) would get the new sensor and I'm guessing that's another year out. I think the 5D IV will be out before the Nikon update...totally guessing.

Unless the 5D4 has near the same DR and resolution as the d810, I think it will be a huge let down. No one is really building it up, but Canon has been getting better about letting info leak as much

When is the Canon C300 Mark ii out?

We should start seeing soon if Canon can deliver 15 stops of DR as they claim. That would be a good sign for the next 5D if they do.

And since I've finally jumped ship and plan to go to a Sony body, I'm sure the 5D4 will be the best camera ever.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17686769
Well said Carlo. I agree.

Fortunately (for me who doesn't have an a7R II) better DXO scores don't necessarily translate to better pictures and even though my 5DS R doesn't measure up I am still really excited about what I can do with it. These are amazing times - awesome FF sensors avaialble in cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony.

The most surprising and delighting measurement in the DXO measurements is that great color sensitivity result for the a7R II. Most impressive.

Enjoy your superior camera!!

Lol. If this came off as some sort of camera pissing contest I didn't mean it to. Working in finance has wired me into a data and chart junkie.

The DXO data is what it is. It's useful for hard quantitative data that isn't obscured by the subjectivity that exists in all things photography. I've also found it to represent each of the cameras I've owned quite fairly.

The interpretation of the data and decisions about the materiality of the movements of the data points in terms of real world photos is, however, completely subjective...and it should be as we all have different needs based on what we shoot. All of these cameras have improved to the point that realistically, we'll very rarely hit the boundaries of their weaknesses. We have people pushing the 5DSR 5stops to highlight shadow noise, and 100 % crops at +5EV to find compression artifacts in the a7rII. If that's what it takes to seriously fault any of these cameras, I'd say that they're all basically phenomenal. No superior camera between the ones compared in my opinion. It's purely a matter of preference.

mystik610 wrote in post #17686896
Lol. If this came off as some sort of camera pissing contest I didn't mean it to. Working in finance has wired me into a data and chart junkie.

The DXO data is what it is. It's useful for hard quantitative data that isn't obscured by the subjectivity that exists in all things photography. I've also found it to represent each of the cameras I've owned quite fairly.

The interpretation of the data and decisions about the materiality of the movements of the data points in terms of real world photos is, however, completely subjective...and it should be as we all have different needs based on what we shoot. All of these cameras have improved to the point that realistically, we'll very rarely hit the boundaries of their weaknesses. We have people pushing the 5DSR 5stops to highlight shadow noise, and 100 % crops at +5EV to find compression artifacts in the a7rII. If that's what it takes to seriously fault any of these cameras, I'd say that they're all basically phenomenal. No superior camera between the ones compared in my opinion. It's purely a matter of preference.

No, your post didn't come off like a pissing contest in the least! I was just having a little fun at my own expense. Sensor-wise my own view is that it appears that the a7R II appears to have the best (superior) overall sensor right now. BUT, like you, I agree that all three have phenomenal sensors, so that makes it easy to pick what aspect you like best. Great times!

Took the new baby out with the 24-70 today. The first thing I noticed is that the EFC is incredible. It enhances the IBIS so much.

I never used an A7r, which I heard had an obnoxious shutter that ruined certain exposures due to vibration. However, I do have an A7 II and even on that camera, I thought the shutter was kind of violent. It probably doesn't cause enough of a shake to ruin exposures, but the A7r II is incredible at how stable the camera is when I fire it.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17686916
No, your post didn't come off like a pissing contest in the least! I was just having a little fun at my own expense. Sensor-wise my own view is that it appears that the a7R II appears to have the best (superior) overall sensor right now. BUT, like you, I agree that all three have phenomenal sensors, so that makes it easy to pick what aspect you like best. Great times!

I'd say its the most well rounded sensor, but its hard to say anything is really the "best".

And no need for the self-deprecation David. You'd out-shoot most of us regardless of what camera you had in hand lol