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Which disk do I load my Photoshop and DPP4 on? For best performance.

 
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Aug 05, 2015 06:38 |  #1

Basic set up
System disc is a 128 GB Sata III 6 Gb/s SSD
Other discs
500GB Samsung 850 Evo SATA III SSD
400 GB intel 750 PCI e AIC

Do I load the programs onthe systems disc or the Intel 750 ( assuming that works ... Just ordered it).
Or even the other SSD .

Interested in your advice and reasons.

My initial plan is OS on the 128 SSD, saves the problems of NVMe UEFI Bios stuff. Were I to boot from the Intel.
And load the images from the current shoot on the Intel.
But not sure ( OK TBH not a clue ) where to load the programes Like photoshop Elements 13 etc.


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Aug 05, 2015 18:40 |  #2

Not a chance I would have a system where the OS is not on my fastest drive(OS will see the most improvement from it). With an SSD 250 GB or above there is no good reason not to load applications on it. Considering you have other SSD's as well it's a no brainer IMO.


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Aug 05, 2015 18:58 |  #3

Having looked at specs from your proposed HP Workstation it does not look like it will support the 750 as a boot drive. If it doesn't I really don't see the purpose in having it. You could get the same real world performance from much cheaper drives in the roll it will serve.


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Aug 05, 2015 19:08 |  #4

-dave-m- wrote in post #17657985 (external link)
Having looked at specs from your proposed HP Workstation it does not look like it will support the 750 as a boot drive. If it doesn't I really don't see the purpose in having it. You could get the same real world performance from much cheaper drives in the roll it will serve.

Agree its a bit of a gamble.
I have spoken with one owner who says the latest HP Bios supports UEFI and NVMe > ver 1.5; and claims his 750 works perfectly.
Not being that computer savy, if it doesn't work easily, then it will get related to a second drive.
And of course then their is Window 10 coming .


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Aug 05, 2015 19:27 |  #5

Submariner wrote in post #17657997 (external link)
Agree its a bit of a gamble.
I have spoken with one owner who says the latest HP Bios supports UEFI and NVMe > ver 1.5; and claims his 750 works perfectly.
Not being that computer savy, if it doesn't work easily, then it will get related to a second drive.
And of course then their is Window 10 coming .

Any issue with the 750 will be caused by the BIOS/Chipset of the motherboard or firmware of the 750. Windows has native support for NVMe, so shouldn't be a problem.


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Aug 06, 2015 03:45 |  #6

-dave-m- wrote in post #17658010 (external link)
Any issue with the 750 will be caused by the BIOS/Chipset of the motherboard or firmware of the 750. Windows has native support for NVMe, so shouldn't be a problem.

Thats what I am hoping, only I read something about using the 750 with Win 7, along the lines of HP recommending using the Samsung driver not the intrinsic Windows one. And the specific order of when to load that driver, in relationship to when you configure the Bios and load the operating system. TBH it was way over my head.
But I think they infered that in Win 8.1 there was better support for it. - I am sure I will have fun!

Hence my thoughts of loading Photoshop on the 2nd drive , so all I have on the boot drive is Windows, as I would like to do a Native i.e. Not upgraded load of the OS as soon as HP release their version. Thankfully this box comes without much bloatware, just a few HP Management Tools on their recovery disc.

From what I have read - it appears once you have upgraded to Win 10 , Microsoft knows your system ID and does not need a key - whether that is the case when one loads from the HP recovery disc , who knows.


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Aug 06, 2015 04:26 |  #7

As with all PCI-E SSDs, it'll take longer to boot into Windows if using it as the boot drive, since cards with their own controller firmware first need to boot up themselves. If a simple consumer PC with a SATA SSD can boot in 10 seconds, than a high-end system with a PCI-E SSD can take a good 45 seconds for all the system functions to start up.

That said, putting as much as possible on the 750 is a good idea since it's quite a bit faster than the other drives. Even if you don't end up using it as the boot drive, it's at least important to assign it for every application you use, as well as putting your Lightroom catalog on there. The 850 EVO being a 3D NAND SSD has a ton of write endurance, so it's also a good candidate for scratch space - if you write 20GB of data per day to it, it should last for 187 years :)


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Aug 08, 2015 14:32 |  #8

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #17658355 (external link)
As with all PCI-E SSDs, it'll take longer to boot into Windows if using it as the boot drive, since cards with their own controller firmware first need to boot up themselves. If a simple consumer PC with a SATA SSD can boot in 10 seconds, than a high-end system with a PCI-E SSD can take a good 45 seconds for all the system functions to start up.

That said, putting as much as possible on the 750 is a good idea since it's quite a bit faster than the other drives. Even if you don't end up using it as the boot drive, it's at least important to assign it for every application you use, as well as putting your Lightroom catalog on there. The 850 EVO being a 3D NAND SSD has a ton of write endurance, so it's also a good candidate for scratch space - if you write 20GB of data per day to it, it should last for 187 years :)

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Well if its only going to last 187 years its going back :) LOL i thought I had bought into quality! :) :)


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Aug 08, 2015 15:29 as a reply to  @ Kolor-Pikker's post |  #9

My laptop with a Kingston HyperX Predator M.2 PCIe SSD boots faster than both my every day desktops which use Samsung 840 Evo's. The desktops are recent, one running a 4770k on a Z87 board, other a 4790k on a Z97 board, both overclocked at 4.5 GHz. The laptop is newer and has an i7 5700HQ on a HM87 board. All three are setup very close in what loads on boot, no RAID setups so boot time is very quick on all three.


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Aug 09, 2015 05:32 |  #10

-dave-m- wrote in post #17661256 (external link)
My laptop with a Kingston HyperX Predator M.2 PCIe SSD boots faster than both my every day desktops which use Samsung 840 Evo's. The desktops are recent, one running a 4770k on a Z87 board, other a 4790k on a Z97 board, both overclocked at 4.5 GHz. The laptop is newer and has an i7 5700HQ on a HM87 board. All three are setup very close in what loads on boot, no RAID setups so boot time is very quick on all three.

M.2 SSDs aren't quite the same as the ones that plug into your PCIe slot as an add-on card, they are both considered "PCIe" SSDs since they feed off the PCI lanes, but the latter often needs special boot support to work.


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Aug 09, 2015 11:40 |  #11

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #17661808 (external link)
M.2 SSDs aren't quite the same as the ones that plug into your PCIe slot as an add-on card, they are both considered "PCIe" SSDs since they feed off the PCI lanes, but the latter often needs special boot support to work.

I Was trying to get my head around The HP Z Turbos, but nobody at HP seems to be able to definitively answer me.
Their first one just called a Z Turbo is definitely just for the Z Series. It is also definitely M.2 And is very wierd indeed , as it plugs into a PCIe AIC card slot. But has a really wierd boot arrangement. Namely if one has to reload Windows, you have to take all the drives physicslly out of the machine. Set the Bios to AHIC load windows then put all the discs back in. Its only Gen 2. So all that hassle for an increase From 600 Mbs / s to 1,000 MBs/s. At that price no thanks.
They have just launched a PCIe Gen 3 version,that I suspect is not an M.2 card , it too slots i to the PCIe slots, and has to have the bios set for UEFI. Just to confuse the hell out of idots like me , they called it the Z Turbo G2 (even though it is definitely PCIe Gen 3!).

Personally for 1/2 the price and 2400 MBs/s rather than HP's 2,000 MBs/s and a straight PCIe AIC , I prefer the Intel 750. Plus you dont have all the disk removal nonsense.


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