Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
Thread started 03 Mar 2006 (Friday) 09:48
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Snow shooting with 20D questions

 
dbiggs
Member
218 posts
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Pickering,Ontario,Canada
     
Mar 03, 2006 09:48 |  #1

I was shooting these wild powder shoots in Muskoka last weekend after over 3 1/2 feet of virgen snow fell it was wild. My question is this the snowscape of the trees had no EC on and everything is gray so I know what I did wrong there but for the snowmobile shots the EC was at +2/3 and the exposure was all over the place sometimes good somtimes gray. I was in Av mode with the Av stopped down from open about 3 stops for some DOF. My question is this when I look at the historgam and see hump in the middle and nothing at each end what do I change to get the hump streached from one side the the other evenly of will I always have to use PS and levels? All thes are right out of the camera shot JPEG with no editing at all except for size. I just got 20D about a month ago and these are the most exciting pic's I have taken. The extra speed of the 20D from my 300D was a blast I just wish I could get good results with out PS. The 2nd shot here is good IT is the first one and acouple in the next post which are screwy


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.



HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


EOS 20D
Canon 70-200 f4 L
Tanron 28-70 2.8 XR Di
Tokina 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX
Sigma APO 1.4 Teleconverter
Canon 18-55 kit lens
430 EX Speedlight
Manfrotto monopod/tripod
Lowepro AW 200 sling bag

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DaveG
Goldmember
2,040 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Aug 2003
Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
     
Mar 03, 2006 10:09 |  #2

The meter in your camera looks at the world and want to make everything 18% grey. If you follow your meter reading when there's lots of snow around that snow will be 18% grey (and in colour more or less 18% blue). Snow in this context need to be over exposed. It could be a tricky thing since overexposing it but keeping it from being pure white doesn't leave much room for error. But I think that it would be better to have WHITE snow rather than grey/blue.

I'd put the camera on Manual and shoot something like the snowmobiles close up. I'd check the histogram and see what the exposure looked like. Then I'd shoot the rest of the assignment based on that exposure. As soon as you widen your composition the snow is going to indicate a hug overexposure that you'll have to ignore.


"There's never time to do it right. But there's always time to do it over."
Canon 5D, 50D; 16-35 f2.8L, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 f1.4, 100 f2.8 Macro, 70-200 f2.8L, 300mm f2.8L IS.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dbiggs
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
218 posts
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Pickering,Ontario,Canada
     
Mar 03, 2006 10:14 as a reply to  @ DaveG's post |  #3

these I would say are ok but still a little off


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.



HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


EOS 20D
Canon 70-200 f4 L
Tanron 28-70 2.8 XR Di
Tokina 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX
Sigma APO 1.4 Teleconverter
Canon 18-55 kit lens
430 EX Speedlight
Manfrotto monopod/tripod
Lowepro AW 200 sling bag

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dbiggs
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
218 posts
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Pickering,Ontario,Canada
     
Mar 03, 2006 10:20 as a reply to  @ dbiggs's post |  #4

These are completally gray and blue and an example of the bad ones.The exposures are all over the place and if I look at the hitsogram there is just on pig hump right in the middle. When I see that what do I change to strech it out the EC or something else? In these shots the sun had been covered by a passing cloud but on other photo's with the sun out and the EC whare I had it things look OK. Are these what youwould consider a photogtaphically difficault conditions that would give even experienced people a hard time or is that I still have alot to learn?


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.



HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


EOS 20D
Canon 70-200 f4 L
Tanron 28-70 2.8 XR Di
Tokina 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX
Sigma APO 1.4 Teleconverter
Canon 18-55 kit lens
430 EX Speedlight
Manfrotto monopod/tripod
Lowepro AW 200 sling bag

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Double ­ Negative
*sniffles*
Avatar
10,533 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Mar 2006
Location: New York, USA
     
Mar 03, 2006 12:08 |  #5

I would take a picture of the well lit snow and use that image for your custom white balance (or at least manually choose daylight, cloudy or shade as appropriate and stick with it). As for EC, I'd just leave it at +2 or thereabouts assuming the lighting will be the same in most shots and sunny. You'll have to play with this a little. This will ensure similar color in the photos, and close exposures. Also, shoot in RAW - so when you import them you can further make white balance and exposure adjustments.


La Vida Leica! (external link) LitPixel Galleries (external link) -- 1V-HS, 1D Mark IIn & 5D Mark IV w/BG-E20
15mm f/2.8, 14mm f/2.8L, 24mm f/1.4L II, 35mm f/1.4L, 50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L II, 135mm f/2.0L
16-35mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/2.8L, 70-200mm f/2.8L IS, 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS, Extender EF 1.4x II & 2x II

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
René ­ Damkot
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
39,856 posts
Likes: 8
Joined Feb 2005
Location: enschede, netherlands
     
Mar 03, 2006 14:35 |  #6

If lighting is constant, I'ld set the camera to M rather then Av. On Av there's no way to accurately set EC, since there will be more snowmobile and less snow in one shot then in another. Therefore metering results will differ from shot to shot...


"I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
Why Color Management.
Color Problems? Click here.
MySpace (external link)
Get Colormanaged (external link)
Twitter (external link)
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dbiggs
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
218 posts
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Pickering,Ontario,Canada
     
Mar 03, 2006 14:58 as a reply to  @ René Damkot's post |  #7

If I put it in M then what do I look at as a base line to set up the exposure for because like you said sometimes their is more snowmoblle than snow but at other times their is more snow than mobile. These shoots were taken with 2 lenses my 18-125 and my 70-300 whare you are zooming in and out while trying to fallow the action. I also have shoots not so close whare the snowmobile is further away from me and their is 80% snow at least.


EOS 20D
Canon 70-200 f4 L
Tanron 28-70 2.8 XR Di
Tokina 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX
Sigma APO 1.4 Teleconverter
Canon 18-55 kit lens
430 EX Speedlight
Manfrotto monopod/tripod
Lowepro AW 200 sling bag

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tom ­ Skoropad
Mostly Lurking
Avatar
12 posts
Joined Jun 2005
Location: Thunder Bay ON Canada
     
Mar 03, 2006 15:07 |  #8

I've had good luck shooting snowscapes and motorsports by shooting in Raw, with 2/3 stop overexposure, and a circular polarizer, in either Tv or Av mode. Center focus point and metering set to average. Slight levels and curves adjustment in RSP. Auto sat normal/normal and USM in PSP X. Couple of examples below shot of course with 20D, 70-200L 2.8 I/S, and 1.4x T-Con.

Cheers,
Tom

IMAGE: http://my.tbaytel.net/teskordesign/winterms_8.jpg

IMAGE: http://my.tbaytel.net/teskordesign/wintermc_7.jpg

IMAGE: http://my.tbaytel.net/teskordesign/wintermc_11.jpg

My Gear (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
René ­ Damkot
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
39,856 posts
Likes: 8
Joined Feb 2005
Location: enschede, netherlands
     
Mar 04, 2006 07:10 |  #9

When in M, meter a bright patch of snow, set it at +2 in the meter, shoot, check histogram to see it doesn't blow out, adjust if needed. Shoot away. As long as the light doesn't change, neither should aperture or time. No matter how much snow / mobile in the frame. Illumination is the same, so exposure should be as well. Beware of clouds though ;)


"I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
Why Color Management.
Color Problems? Click here.
MySpace (external link)
Get Colormanaged (external link)
Twitter (external link)
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
René ­ Damkot
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
39,856 posts
Likes: 8
Joined Feb 2005
Location: enschede, netherlands
     
Mar 04, 2006 07:13 |  #10

Tom, in the first two pics, the blacks are completely black (no detail whatsoever in tires / clothing) . I don't think they should be.
first also has blown out whites... Apart from that, nice captures.


"I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
Why Color Management.
Color Problems? Click here.
MySpace (external link)
Get Colormanaged (external link)
Twitter (external link)
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,101 views & 0 likes for this thread, 5 members have posted to it.
Snow shooting with 20D questions
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is IoDaLi Photography
1764 guests, 131 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.