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Aug 15, 2015 14:32 |  #1

I would like a set up for outdoors, HSS, and around $500 a unit. I would also need some stands as well. This would be for location portraits. So I am looking for a setup with at least two lights. I have the yongnuo YN622C-TX and YN 622C transceiver.
I need the whole set up so I am open to suggestions. I have Canon 5Dmk3 and the 85 1.2L and 135 f/2. I would be looking for lights, soft boxes, stands etc.
I have been reading up. I use to have White lightnings for indoors. I was interested in Einsteins or Alienbees but so far they dont do HSS?. That is a requirement for me




  
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Aug 15, 2015 16:16 |  #2

gqllc007 wrote in post #17669960 (external link)
I would like a set up for outdoors, HSS, and around $500 a unit. I would also need some stands as well. This would be for location portraits. So I am looking for a setup with at least two lights. I have the yongnuo YN622C-TX and YN 622C transceiver.
I need the whole set up so I am open to suggestions. I have Canon 5Dmk3 and the 85 1.2L and 135 f/2. I would be looking for lights, soft boxes, stands etc.
I have been reading up. I use to have White lightnings for indoors. I was interested in Einsteins or Alienbees but so far they dont do HSS?. That is a requirement for me

The advantage of the Rove is that it has a wider power range in H mode than the Godox. It is also more powerful at max power.
The disadvantage is that all the weight will be high on the light stand which could be problematic outside in the wind.

Godox is a nice small unit. the battery is separate which means less weight on the top of the light stand.

The Cells IIc trigger provides FP-Sync directly to the FT-16 and remote power control via the CTx trigger.

If you need more than 300 Ws then two can be used but that's not usually a requirement unless middle of the day in bright sun.

If you're willing to extend your budget a bit. The Phottix Indra is an interesting option. If offers TTL with HSS on Canon. There are some links here that are worth reading.


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Aug 15, 2015 17:08 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #3

What about Cheetahstand CL series? Do they do HSS as well?




  
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Aug 16, 2015 01:14 |  #4

gqllc007 wrote in post #17669960 (external link)
I would like a set up for outdoors, HSS, and around $500 a unit. I would also need some stands as well. This would be for location portraits. So I am looking for a setup with at least two lights. I have the yongnuo YN622C-TX and YN 622C transceiver.
I need the whole set up so I am open to suggestions. I have Canon 5Dmk3 and the 85 1.2L and 135 f/2. I would be looking for lights, soft boxes, stands etc.
I have been reading up. I use to have White lightnings for indoors. I was interested in Einsteins or Alienbees but so far they dont do HSS?. That is a requirement for me

Heya,

I was in the same boat, about to get the Cheetah version of the AD360. Ultimately I went Rovelight. Practically the same price ($430 vs 480?) when I was hopping. I now use the Rovelight 600B (bowen's mount) that I got for $480 on a Cheetah stand Boom stand ($120?) with two big modifiers, one is a Fotodiox EZpro 48" octa softbox ($110?) and the other is a 60" Impact silver/white/black umbrella ($30!). The stand I got holds the weight of the Rovelight & softbox just fine on the boom, extended out a bit, with a counter weight and I only use it outside, in the wind, here in Florida. When I'm really worried about the wind, I have bungees and spikes in the counter weight bag that holds it down, and it's very stable, but still light enough to carry around and move from one location to the next. The umbrella setup I use is even lighter and I am starting to like it even more because the bigger surface area is awesome. The Rovelight is powerful enough that I can use HSS with the light as a bounce into a silver lined umbrella and still get good lighting in the sun. Very flexible versatile light.

No tricks needed with the Rovelight for HSS. Your YN622 with a sync cable plugged in does it without any fancy settings or weird tricks, just plug it in, set your camera, and turn the Rovelight on to HSS mode and you're good to go. I only use the stock transmitter to remotely change the power level, nothing more. I use YN622's for the triggering and HSS and it's flawless.

Overall I don't regret getting the less powerful AD360 (a nice light though!). I'm very happy with the Rovelight. Portable. Can over power the sun mid-day here in Florida no problem. And powerful enough to do HSS as a bounce and still fill. That's just nice if you're an outdoor shooter in the sun.

48" octa on boom arm with counter weight and rovelight. No problem.

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Big 60" umbrella used as a bounce (silver lined, black cover) in HSS, very light weight, very powerful, huge light source. I currently think I like this setup the best, because it's just so versatile (shoot through, bounce, etc, and it's BIG).

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(For when it's really windy:)

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Here's the kind of light I can get:

Modifier is 5~6 feet away from subject.
Silver lined black backed 60" umbrella at 45 degree angle to subject.
Rovelight at 1/4th power, in HSS mode, shooting into the umbrella and bouncing back on the subject.
Camera at 1/1000s, F2.8, ISO 100.

I still could have gotten 2 more stops of light out of the Rovelight in HSS if needed.

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Here's the softobx (48" octa) on the Rovelight. Same settings and power and all that pretty much, also 4~5 feet to subject.

1/1000s, F2.8, ISO 100.
48" octa, 1/4th power (if I remember?) on the Rovelight in HSS.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:02 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #5

^^ good examples of how to use the Rove outdoors.
Nice images, nice light.


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Aug 16, 2015 11:30 |  #6

What are those bungee cords and stakes that you are using? Thanks!


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Aug 16, 2015 11:41 |  #7

gqllc007 wrote in post #17670102 (external link)
What about Cheetahstand CL series? Do they do HSS as well?

CL is the same as Godox except for the painted logo. Well each and every one of the Cheetah Stand lights are tested before shipping, plus if you have a question or problem, Ed at Cheetah Stand personally stands behind everything he sells. A few of us have sent email questions and received a telephone follow up minutes later.

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What are those bungee cords and stakes that you are using? Thanks!

i believe i remember him saying it is just two stakes with a regular bungie between them.


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Aug 17, 2015 22:35 |  #8

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What are those bungee cords and stakes that you are using? Thanks!

Heya,

Just a 24" bungee with plastic hooks, and two nylon 9" stakes. I just attach the hooks, drape it over, stomp it down. Holds solid. Fits in the counter weight bag so they're always there and ready to go.

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Aug 17, 2015 22:53 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #9

That's a nice setup. I need to get a boom stand for my location shoots--i've been getting by with a regular stand.

That umbrella looks like a huge parachute. Nice it holds up.



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Nov 06, 2015 21:22 |  #10

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Heya,

AD360. Ultimately I went Rovelight. Practically the same price ($430 vs 480?)

Overall I don't regret getting the less powerful AD360 (a nice light though!). I'm very happy with the Rovelight. Portable.

Malveaux, To understand correctly, do you have both?

Right now Adorama has an offer for the 360 for $320 (this weekend), I have been debating between this and the Rovelight. Given this price, if you had neither, which would you go for?

What applications would make the Rovelight worth it?

I'm wodering this as the Rovelight may be more flash then what I would ever really take advantage of (aside from once in a blue moon.

Your input is appreciated.


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Nov 07, 2015 02:30 |  #11

Apart from being more than twice as powerfull (see Flashhavoc) the Rovelight/Jinbei HD600 operates differently above your max sync speed. (The HD600 does Supersync tail after an early trigger whereas the Godox 360 offers the 50 KHz pulsing after an early trigger. The former gives a gradient whereas the latter does not.)

Edit: Sorry, on checking, the above may not be true wrt the Godox 360 - the images on the Flashhavoc site imply that it does Supersync tail too - complete with Gradient!

I'm very happy with my JinbeiHD600V which has been completely reliable in both its Normal mode & its 'H' mode - I trigger with Odins.




  
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Nov 07, 2015 20:23 as a reply to  @ OceanRipple*'s post |  #12

The Godox AD uses light pulse not light tail. In the flashhavoc comparison photos the gradation of the AD is very subtle it may due to the slightly decrease of light pulse peak towards the end of the exposure.




  
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Nov 07, 2015 20:27 |  #13

Ocean, since you have the tool to check the actual light pulse (oscilloscope) I am hoping that you can get or rent the Godox to check the pulse. I am curious to see :)




  
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Nov 07, 2015 20:42 |  #14

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Nov 08, 2015 08:42 |  #15

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Ocean, since you have the tool to check the actual light pulse (oscilloscope) I am hoping that you can get or rent the Godox to check the pulse. I am curious to see :)

I hear you. No promises, but . .




  
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