Looking for pointers - New lens

Hi all,
I've had a bit of a search but finding it hard to find the information i need.

I'm looking to get a new lens specifically for my Skate / Freerunning and car interior shots (a superwide)
Ideally i would like something that gives a really wide angle, i don't mind if it fish eyes or not but without a black boarder around the edges.
The kind of angles i'm after can be seen at the bottom of this post. I know that Canon does one but it is WAY out of my budget. I'm aiming up to £350.
The camera i will be using it on is a Canon 1DIII which i believe is a 1.3x crop but only accepts EF mount lenses. I am happy to make minor modifications to the lens if needed like removing the lenshood / filing down the mount a little.

Any ideas?
I have been looking at the Tokina AT-X PRO 116 11-16 mm f/2.8 DX AF Lens Canon ultra wide angle

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17674661
Hi all,
I've had a bit of a search but finding it hard to find the information i need.

I'm looking to get a new lens specifically for my Skate / Freerunning and car interior shots (a superwide)
Ideally i would like something that gives a really wide angle, i don't mind if it fish eyes or not but without a black boarder around the edges.
The kind of angles i'm after can be seen at the bottom of this post. I know that Canon does one but it is WAY out of my budget. I'm aiming up to £350.
The camera i will be using it on is a Canon 1DIII which i believe is a 1.3x crop but only accepts EF mount lenses. I am happy to make minor modifications to the lens if needed like removing the lenshood / filing down the mount a little.

Any ideas?
I have been looking at the Tokina AT-X PRO 116 11-16 mm f/2.8 DX AF Lens Canon ultra wide angle

Heya,

You can use the Tokina 11-16, it's EF mount even though it's designed for APS-C, and it works fine around 15~16mm on full frame, so should be fine around 14mm on APS-H. But at that point, you might as well be looking at the Rokinon 14mm F2.8. It's also less expensive, just as sharp, and still very wide. There is an 8mm, 10mm and 12mm flavor of the Rokinon too, but are either APS-C (will vignette) intended, or fisheye. Either way you would be correcting for something on those. The 14mm is good to go with no mods, no vignetting, etc.

Another option is the classic Sigma 8-16.

Another option is to get a 10-18 STM and modify the mount. Inexpensive, ultrawide, sharp, and has IS.

Very best,

I agree with Malveax's recommendation of the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8. I'll add the suggestion of the Sigma 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye. I own it. I like it. Add this one to the list: Rokinon 12mm f/2.8 Fisheye. No filing required.

I was offered a Sigma 8mm 3.5 but i think the black circle around it might be too much?

The rokingon seems hard to find here in the UK. There is a Samyang one on WEX for £279
Tokina on ebay for £242

I forgot to add the pictures i would like to achieve. so here we go.
http://viper.dragtimes​.com …rt-Interior-WideAngle.jpg
http://img14.deviantar​t.net …r_3_by_nicolasb​dotnet.jpg
http://www.beyondexpos​ure.co.uk …ma-Halina-147-600x399.jpg

This kind of angle.
so could 14mm be the widest i can go?

would this be a good list to look at?
Full-frame:
Sigma 12-24mm
Canon 14mm
Sigma 15-30mm
Canon 16-35mm
Canon 17-35mm
Canon 17-40mm
Tokina 17mm

GeoKras1989 wrote in post #17674679
I agree with Malveax's recommendation of the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8. I'll add the suggestion of the Sigma 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye. I own it. I like it. Add this one to the list: Rokinon 12mm f/2.8 Fisheye. No filing required.

what camera do you use it on and do you have any samples?

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17674690
This kind of angle.
so could 14mm be the widest i can go?

would this be a good list to look at?
Full-frame:
Sigma 12-24mm
Canon 14mm
Sigma 15-30mm
Canon 16-35mm
Canon 17-35mm
Canon 17-40mm
Tokina 17mm

If you want to avoid vignetting and lots of cropping (making it not great since you're on a limited MP count anyways, less cropping is ideal for you here), I would use non-fisheye and just get as wide an angle you can that performs decently at that angle (on the APS-H, the center of the glass will be used more, and the corners will not be as much of an issue, especially stopped down at all).

The 12-24 & 8-16 from Sigma make a lot of sense. Lots of options there, so you can go as wide as tolerable, or less wide depending on the need. Makes a lot of sense.

17mm is just not that wide on APS-H, and you're wanting to get very, very wide to do the shots you're looking at doing based on your links in a car. 17mm on full frame is the start of that, so on APS-H, so that's around 12~14mm on APS-H to get that field of view. So I'd look for things in that range. Hence the 12-24 or 8-16, or the Rokinon 14 all make good sense.

Very best,

ah ok, that makes sense.
So best to be looking at something that goes as far as 12mm. Is there any particular terminoligiy i should look for? i have heard about rectiliniar, diagonal and circular lenses (i thought they were all circular)

Does the rokinon trade under any other names?
Also do any of these offer AF?
I will add i have a 24mm so would need to be wider than that on APS-H

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17674721
ah ok, that makes sense.
So best to be looking at something that goes as far as 12mm. Is there any particular terminoligiy i should look for? i have heard about rectiliniar, diagonal and circular lenses (i thought they were all circular)

Does the rokinon trade under any other names?
Also do any of these offer AF?
I will add i have a 24mm so would need to be wider than that on APS-H

Heya,

Rokinon/Bowers/Vivitar​/Samyang/etc, all the same stuff.

In reference to rectiliniar, diagonal, etc, that's more for fisheye purposes and all that. For just ultrawide, you don't need to look for anything in particular other than the focal length and general performance and features.

The affordable good ones are mostly manual lenses.

The zooms (Sigma 8-16, 12-24, etc) often have AF. But AF is nearly pointless on an ultrawide, because at that wide of an angle, even at F4, the depth of field is to pretty much to infinity from a foot or more from in front of you.

Very best,

Ah ok, thanks for the info. Could i be difficult and say if you had say £250-300 what lens would you buy? 2nd hand is fine.

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17674774
Ah ok, thanks for the info. Could i be difficult and say if you had say £250-300 what lens would you buy? 2nd hand is fine.

Heya,

I went from a 11-16 F2.8 Tokina to the Canon 10-22 for my ultrawide.

I shoot on full frame, APS-C & APS-H as well. If I were to do it all over, I'd have just gotten the Rokinon 14 F2.8 and stopped there. It's wicked sharp, F2.8, and not expensive at all.

Here in the USA, the Rok 14mm F2.8 is like $200 used often. So that's where i'd go.

I think for what you're doing and your needs, the Sigma 8-16 or 12-24 would be ideal though. You can get very wide and have AF. I think a zoom is useful for you because you can get the field of view you need to fill a frame for composition to avoid heavy cropping on that 10MP file.

Very best,

Thanks for that,

I think i'll keep my eyes open for the following in order and get which is cheapest at the right time.

Sigma 8-16
Sigma 12-24
Rokinon/Bowers/Vivitar​/Samyang 14 F2.8

Sound like a plan?

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17674692
what camera do you use it on and do you have any samples?

Request is for some shots from the Sigma 15mm f/2.8 FE. Here are some from my front yard this morning. Notice huge distortion when you want it, minimal when you don't. The indoor shot is from about 4' away from the yellow toy; the room is 13' wide. The marigold shot is 100% crop of a shot taken from MFD.

Distortion. Notice the HUGE DOF. Oh, camera is 6D, in case EXIF doesn't show up.

Thanks for the samples. it looks awesome! Now i need to add it to my list! haha.

the sigma 12-24mm would be your best bet for ultra wide, and suitable on your camera...if you decide to go with any of the crop specific UWA there's a chance that there is going to be some vignetting, it'll probably all depend on the lens specifically...i'd do a search for each, and 1D on google, and see what pops up...if you decide to go for the canon 10-22mm, here's the conversion you'd need to do to get it to mount, i recall seeing others use it on a 1D
http://www.benjacobsen​photo.com …-ef-s-to-ef-conversion-2/

i'd decide if you want a fisheye or not...they are two entirely different looks