what's the smallest, fastest APS-C Canon with articulating screen

What's best?

I find I like the articulated screen (whatever the thing you look at on the back is called -it's not essential but preferred)
I want a FAST focussing camera (+lens combo)
I'd like it light and small enough to get in a small bag. Obviously I want it less conspicuous than my FF cameras, so smallish.....

I thinking to pair maybe with a the 17-55 lens or other reasonably fast lens -doesn't have to be super fast but at least f4 throughout range

I have tried the Fuji range of Cameras and find them too slow to focus for street (YMMV) and so rather than ditch Canon altogether as some have been doing for the Fuji system, I'll keep my FF camera and perhaps get a smaller one for Street

I've looked at compact cameras but the ones with larger(ish) sensors and which are highly rated seem to limit their range at the long end to 70mm or 100mm equivalent-too short for my liking - I want at least 135 (35mm) equivalent at the long end but 35 or even 50mm at the short end (equivalent) is all the width I need.
CANON only to keep it simple

Your esteemed suggestions please.....

The focus speed is primarily in the lens motor. I'm sure there are minor differences in the camera speed but since you want aps-c and small you are in the rebel line which shouldn't vary much. 85 1.8 would be the first lens on your list.

Heya,

Fastest focusing via the Live View?

Or fastest via view finder?

Very best,

If you want ILC with an articulating screen, reasonable AF speed in live view (assuming that's the case given you need an articulating screen), a small size and it has to be a Canon, really the EOS M3 is your only choice...

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17688003
If you want ILC with an articulating screen, reasonable AF speed in live view (assuming that's the case given you need an articulating screen), a small size and it has to be a Canon, really the EOS M3 is your only choice...

I was just this very second looking at that on dpreview!

not a full review yet though ....what lenses do you suggest with it and how do they compare to the best FUJI X LENSES - if you have any experience wit that

You can always do what the video guys do, add an external monitor ir tether to a tablet.

maverick75 wrote in post #17688965
You can always do what the video guys do, add an external monitor ir tether to a tablet.

LOL: what, instead of an articulating screen?

trés drole

I Simonius wrote in post #17688955
I was just this very second looking at that on dpreview!

not a full review yet though ....what lenses do you suggest with it and how do they compare to the best FUJI X LENSES - if you have any experience wit that

The 22mm pancake is top notch, I actually really wished I could mount it to my X-E1 when I had it. The 18-55mm is pretty good, but not in the same league as the Fuji 18-55mm (I own both). I don't have any experience with the other EF-M lenses, but most of them are very well received and highly rated, they're also cheaper than the equivalent Fuji's (though I have a feeling the Fuji's are still a bit nicer, they make some seriously nice glass).

If you can do without the articuakting screen (I think, but you should check) don't overlook the Canon EOS Rebel SL1.

I Simonius wrote in post #17688955
I was just this very second looking at that on dpreview!

not a full review yet though ....what lenses do you suggest with it and how do they compare to the best FUJI X LENSES - if you have any experience wit that

So this is basically a discreet thing for street photography?

There are two big issues. One, fast focus speed. Even on the M3, the focus speed is slow compared to a typical dSLR with a good fast USM lens. The M3 simply focuses faster than the old M1. Two, you want an articulating live view screen. This is common on all the cameras that are slow to focus in live view (which I assume is the purpose of the articulating LCD, otherwise, what's the point?).

Realistically, that gives you:

EOS-M3
70D
T6i

Those have the latest Live View AF methods and speed in the Canon range with articulating screens.

I would suggest you rent the ones you're interested in before buying and testing out the AF in the settings you're wanting to do it in. I think you will find most Live View focusing even on these to be too slow for your intended purposes I'm betting.

Very best,

MalVeauX wrote in post #17689379
So this is basically a discreet thing for street photography?

There are two big issues. One, fast focus speed. Even on the M3, the focus speed is slow compared to a typical dSLR with a good fast USM lens. The M3 simply focuses faster than the old M1. Two, you want an articulating live view screen. This is common on all the cameras that are slow to focus in live view (which I assume is the purpose of the articulating LCD, otherwise, what's the point?).

Realistically, that gives you:

EOS-M3
70D
T6i

Those have the latest Live View AF methods and speed in the Canon range with articulating screens.

I would suggest you rent the ones you're interested in before buying and testing out the AF in the settings you're wanting to do it in. I think you will find most Live View focusing even on these to be too slow for your intended purposes I'm betting.

Very best,

Slower than a DSLR, true... but not by nearly as much as you're making it out to be. Modern mirrorless cameras are actually pretty quick at acquiring focus most of the time, it's tracking where they struggle. Even my a7S with it's lack-luster focusing is plenty fast enough for street photography (though personally I just focus via hyperfocal when doing street).

it's a hard one but thanks for all your suggestions and comments

I think I'll just have to get up to WEX photographic's showroom and try a few things out -- I had hoped to narrow it right down

I jut don't like the rebel form so that rules that out .

The 70D is one I'll check out. Not sure whether the M3 will be signifiv=cantly faster than the latest Fuji _X-10, which I suppose going back on my decision earlier , I might have to check out too

Decisions decisions

the M3 doesn't have an articulating screen, or really fast focusing...and aside from the 22mm f2, there's really no other fast lens for it...unless you want to use an adapter, and an EF/EF-S lens...and then it's just awkward ergonomics

if you're sticking with Canon then i think it's as follows:

SL1 if you can forget the articulating screen, it'll be the smallest canon DSLR you can find
T6i, and T6s...newest Rebels with articulating screens, the 6s looks to have a few more bells and whistles you may appreciate
70D, biggest of the bunch will probably offer you the best focusing though

DreDaze wrote in post #17694102
the M3 doesn't have an articulating screen, or really fast focusing...and aside from the 22mm f2, there's really no other fast lens for it...unless you want to use an adapter, and an EF/EF-S lens...and then it's just awkward ergonomicsh

Yes it does... and it's focusing is on par with most other modern mirrorless bodies. The fast lens point is true to an extent, but I find even with my original EOS M an adapted 35/2 or 50/1.8 works perfectly fine on it, I used my old 35/2 on the EOS M a lot before I sold it.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17694223
Yes it does... and it's focusing is on par with most other modern mirrorless bodies. The fast lens point is true to an extent, but I find even with my original EOS M an adapted 35/2 or 50/1.8 works perfectly fine on it, I used my old 35/2 on the EOS M a lot before I sold it.

technically canon calls it a tilt-type screen because it doesn't articulate out and around like the 60-70d, and the rebels, canon calls those vari-angle screens.