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Sep 20, 2015 22:51 |  #76

The article says that when an AF point shifts the red dot also shifts which does not happen on my camera in AI Servo. Does the 1D4 have expansion and zone modes or just expansion? Wow 44 point expansion in one shot. If no zone sounds like the begging of it. Although the same principle it seems the AF systems do work a little differently.

I don't know. I was resolved to agree with anyone before this point. The expansion points groupings are are so small it won't effect my shooting anyway. I really just want to know if Art Morris is right. I should have just focused on that and it was my mistake to tie it in with what the AF points were doing.

Thanks for finding the article Jake. Sorry for the mess.


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Sep 20, 2015 23:01 |  #77

On another note I can't believe how similar the 1DX and 5D3 and the manuals are. Scary.


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Sep 20, 2015 23:57 |  #78

Someone may want to read this. Good info.

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Sep 21, 2015 07:31 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #79

Thanks for the link. I've read over this twice and it's beginning to sink in. Hope to have my replacement camera by Friday. Can't wait to get out and try some of this stuff, I've learned.


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Sep 21, 2015 08:37 |  #80

I'm sorry it got off topic a bit. It seams like what others are saying that expansion is like a mini zone. If so why didn't they just call it that instead of naming them differently and making the 2 configurations look different in the view finder.

Oh well. Hopefully you got something out of it.


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Sep 21, 2015 08:57 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #81

They named them differently because they work differently. The expanded points are only there for assistance if needed.


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Sep 21, 2015 09:29 |  #82

Somewhere in this is a great YouTube tutorial video!


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Sep 21, 2015 09:35 |  #83

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They named them differently because they work differently. The expanded points are only there for assistance if needed.

That was my thought from day one. Some feedback, not from here and not Canon is that the assist points are doing the same thing as in zone. The centre point is just there to start and then basically becomes part of the cluster. The term "mini" zone was actually used.

I've alway viewed it as the centre point is the primary at all times. What Rudy Winston says in that link I posted is how I thought it worked since buying by 5D3 when it came out. Even with the assist points I should always try to keep my centre point on what I want to be in focus.

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You really can't avoid doing that because it is such a small area anyway. Then I thought the area is so small what significant benefit will faster switching be? If a small erratic bird takes off in another direction it will off all the points in a micro second. I can't keep up to it. Just by that alone I don't think it impossible the engineers could have decided to set assist points at a fixed speed. Save on resources?

Art Morris may very well be wrong which is fine by me. I'd just like to know. The reason is it will give me more options. I can be in case 2 (my go to for steady object) and instead of taking the time going to case 5 or changing a parameter I can just quickly use the AF selection lever and go to expansion. AF switching is on 0 but it would not make any difference.

Case 2 could be my slower zone tracking setting because zone still works on 0. I know there are a 100 ways to do this but it the assist points are actually fixed it would make a difference to me.

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Sep 21, 2015 09:39 |  #84

Actually I see no benefit at all in one shot.


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Sep 21, 2015 14:57 |  #85

When you read Art Morris' description on his side about not the 5D3 and 1DX he says.

Note: this setting has no effect unless you are using 61-point or Zone AF.

In his video Canon includes the 5D3, 1DX and 7D2 and he says

AF switching on only matters when you are using either 61 point or zone.

There is a possibility that they do react when AF adjustment is made but the expansion clusters are so small you won't see any significant gain.

I know that I'll never be able to keep up to small erratic bird no matter how quickly they switch. Setting TS to a negative will help me far more in maintaining focus lock than faster assist points.

In zone you see significant gain. Maybe it is just his way of saying don't bother.


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Sep 21, 2015 16:28 |  #86

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The article says that when an AF point shifts the red dot also shifts which does not happen on my camera in AI Servo.

That can only happen wioth the 1D4 in CF 8-3, ie: with the 45 point expansion on.

Does the 1D4 have expansion and zone modes or just expansion?

No zones, they were introduced with 5D3 and 1Dx

... I really just want to know if Art Morris is right. ...

Based on what that article says about the ways expansion can be used/works, the fact that that article is as "straight from the mouth of Canon" as it gets, do you not see it contradicting some aspects of how you interpreted Artie's statement in the video?


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Sep 21, 2015 16:29 |  #87

digital paradise wrote in post #17715294 (external link)
On another note I can't believe how similar the 1DX and 5D3 and the manuals are. Scary.

Same exact AF system. 1Dx only has some very slight differences in that regard.


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I'm sorry it got off topic a bit. It seams like what others are saying that expansion is like a mini zone. If so why didn't they just call it that instead of naming them differently and making the 2 configurations look different in the view finder.

Oh well. Hopefully you got something out of it.

You need to go back and read that article I posted again.

They are not the same, Zone behaves differently in many ways.

Also, Expansion predates Zone by like 20 years. It was available on film bodies before there was a 1D.


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Sep 21, 2015 16:33 |  #89

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That was my thought from day one. Some feedback, not from here and not Canon is that the assist points are doing the same thing as in zone. ....

I've not read that here.

With Zone, I have no control over the starting AF point. That is a HUGE difference as compared to expansion.


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Sep 21, 2015 17:51 |  #90

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17716333 (external link)
I've not read that here.

With Zone, I have no control over the starting AF point. That is a HUGE difference as compared to expansion.

The 7D2 has it.


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