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Sep 10, 2015 21:03 |  #1

OK folks. I need some help.

I finally bought my 5D Mk III. Quite a learning curve, but I finally got it and finally have my dream camera. On my way here, I have had and sold many Canons. At this point, I still have my 70D and my 6D (gripped). I don't know what to do.

Sell both and my EF-S lenses and go full bore on the Mk III? If I do this, I could always change to all FF glass but that's spendy.

Is there any legitimate reason to keep the 6D :( at this point? That's the baby that finally put me here, but I'm not sure what to do. I do know that I'm at least hanging on to it until I learn the AF system on the Mk III and that's proving a challenge getting there but I am.

I really want to keep a crop for the implied reach. My gut says sell the 6D and the 70D and buy a Mk II and then I'm totally in the same ecosystem, if you will. I'll miss the WiFi on the 70D but the EyeFi card has once again proven its worth in the Mk III so there's always that option on th Mk II should I go that route.

I'm pretty excited still about the possibilities of the 6D M II when it happens. It may be a perfect marriage with the Mk III since I already know the Mk IV is going to be out of my reach.

I'm just an amateur looking some advice. I shoot dance competitions and family trips with limited amateur sports sometimes.

I could say a lot more but I won't since I'm on my iPad. Start some advice and we'll go from there.

Thank you in advance. I really appreciate it.

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Sep 10, 2015 21:16 |  #2

Heya,

If you're primarily shooting the 5D3, sell the 6D. Keep the 70D. The 70D and 400mm you have is going to get more pixels on target than the 5D3/6D could at 400mm. So there is still an advantage to having an APS-C around, if you are wanting to have an option for maximum detail on maximum reach. I would go ahead and sell the EF-S glass too. The reason for the 70D is the "reach" so there's no reason to keep the 18-135 around or the 17-55.

If you find you need faster zooms, you can always shop an older EF 28-70 F2.8L ($500ish usually), or you could save a bit more and get a Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VC.

As for the wide end, if you ever go there, a gently used 17-40 F4L runs $450 commonly.

So it's not too spendy to go full on with what you're doing now.

Selling the 6D, 18-135STM & 17-55 actually should net you more than enough to get yourself any EF glass you want, L's even at this point, since you're covered on the long ends.

If you don't see yourself caring much about using the 70D + 400mm that you have, then you might as well sell it too. You may not need that reach if shooting sports.

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Sep 10, 2015 21:28 |  #3

I rarely post but thought I'd chime in on your dilemma as I was in a similar situation. I'm an amateur hobbiest. Shot with a 40D for many years and decided to add full frame a few years ago. Started with the 6D, realized within the first year that I really wanted/needed something faster (shoot a lot of my kids sports) so I added a 5D3. Still found it slow for sports and shooting the 6d and 5d3 together was difficult as the controls are very different. Added the 7D2 with the past year and realized that the 5D3 and 7D2 work seemlessly together. Controls are pratically identical which makes it very easy to shoot together and switch between the two. Realized recently that I rarely ever shoot the 6D unless I force myself to use it, so I agreed this past week to sell it to a friend as their first entry into full frame.

Based on my experience I'd suggest selling the 6D as I don't expect you will have much use for it with the 5D3. If you want to continue with crop as well, keep the 70d and use the sale proceeds for glass, or consider selling the 70D and adding a 7D2 to mirror the functions of the 5D3.




  
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Sep 11, 2015 05:51 |  #4

Sounds like you guys are about where I thought. Letting the 6D go is hard but it does make sense. I like the idea of the fact that the 7D Mk II and the 5D Mk III operate VERY similarly. It sure sounds like that's the way to go. that way, I can let the 70D go as well, though it has served its purpose well too.

I'm thinking the only dilemma left is glass, but I'm not that far off with what I already have for my purposes, I guess. I love the 24-105/4 and it's my walk around 90% of the time. It may not be the best, but it works well for me. that 10-22 is going to be hard to replace. I only use it occasionally, but it's sure nice to know it's there when I need to capture my toes in a wide shot. :D

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated also. I think I know what I should do. Now I just need to suck it up and make a list in priority order and get it done.

Thanks again. You don't know how much it helps to hear that my thinking was at least in the right direction.




  
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Sep 11, 2015 06:06 |  #5

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Sounds like you guys are about where I thought. Letting the 6D go is hard but it does make sense. I like the idea of the fact that the 7D Mk II and the 5D Mk III operate VERY similarly. It sure sounds like that's the way to go. that way, I can let the 70D go as well, though it has served its purpose well too.

I'm thinking the only dilemma left is glass, but I'm not that far off with what I already have for my purposes, I guess. I love the 24-105/4 and it's my walk around 90% of the time. It may not be the best, but it works well for me. that 10-22 is going to be hard to replace. I only use it occasionally, but it's sure nice to know it's there when I need to capture my toes in a wide shot. :D

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated also. I think I know what I should do. Now I just need to suck it up and make a list in priority order and get it done.

Thanks again. You don't know how much it helps to hear that my thinking was at least in the right direction.

Heya,

Sell 6D (in good shape, $850~$1k)
Sell 70D ($650~750)
Sell 18-135 STM ($200)
Sell 17-55 F2.8 ($300~400)
Sell 10-22 ($350~450)

Note, those are "loose" estimated used prices that are inline with things actually selling and not sitting for weeks on end.

Even at the lowest prices, you net over $2.5k, which is a 7DII (especially if you get a refurb from Canon with Warranty), and money left over for an EF17-40F4L.

Note, the 10-22 on APS-C is approximately the same as the 17-40 F4L on full frame. It's easily replaced, and weather sealed to boot. $450 used often!

Buy 7D2 (refurb from Canon, don't pay new price)
Buy used Canon 17-40 F4L

And you still have money to spare for a 2nd lens that is of L quality.

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Sep 11, 2015 06:18 |  #6

There ya go! A fully outlined plan. I LOVE IT! That's EXACTLY what I couldn't get to on my own. That works. Thanks!




  
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Sep 11, 2015 06:38 |  #7

I own both a 5D3 and 7D2, and the two cameras really do complement each other well. When I purchased the 5D3 over 3 years ago, I ended up selling my EF-S glass, even though I was keeping my 7D (original version). I did exactly what MalVeaux suggests -- sold the EF-S 10-22mm and replaced it with the 17-40L (have since upgraded to the 16-35L f/4 IS). As he said, the combination of 5D3 + 17-40L will give you better results than the 10-22mm + 70D -- mostly because of the better sensor.

I kept a crop body after adding the 5D3 mainly because I shoot both landscapes and wildlife when we travel, and having a crop body with telephoto lens mounted for wildlife and a full frame body with wide angle or normal zoom mounted for landscape is a tremendous convenience. It reduces the lens swapping a great deal, and means I am ready for anything I encounter without struggling with needing a quick lens change.

I have been using the 5D3 for the minimal sports I have been shooting over my old 7D v1 since acquiring the 5D3. I occasionally shoot ice hockey, and the better high ISO performance of the 5D3 was helpful. However, since upgrading to the 7D2 this year, I will be giving it a try in the upcoming season. I need to shoot at ISO 6400 in order to use my 70-200 f/4 IS lens at our local arena, and the 7D2 offers just enough improvement in ISO over the old 7D that it should be fine at 6400 -- the 7D v1 was fine up to 3200, but the 5D3 was noticeably better at 6400.


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Sep 12, 2015 14:13 |  #8

MalVeauX wrote in post #17702871 (external link)
Heya,

If you're primarily shooting the 5D3, sell the 6D. Keep the 70D. The 70D and 400mm you have is going to get more pixels on target than the 5D3/6D could at 400mm. So there is still an advantage to having an APS-C around, if you are wanting to have an option for maximum detail on maximum reach. I would go ahead and sell the EF-S glass too. The reason for the 70D is the "reach" so there's no reason to keep the 18-135 around or the 17-55.

If you find you need faster zooms, you can always shop an older EF 28-70 F2.8L ($500ish usually), or you could save a bit more and get a Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VC.

As for the wide end, if you ever go there, a gently used 17-40 F4L runs $450 commonly.

So it's not too spendy to go full on with what you're doing now.

Selling the 6D, 18-135STM & 17-55 actually should net you more than enough to get yourself any EF glass you want, L's even at this point, since you're covered on the long ends.

If you don't see yourself caring much about using the 70D + 400mm that you have, then you might as well sell it too. You may not need that reach if shooting sports.

Very best,

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Sep 12, 2015 14:26 |  #9

One thing I didn't post is that I have both a 1.4III and 2.0II teleconverters so I guess that could weigh into the crop issue too, at least on the two long lenses.

Thanks for all of the advice, guys. I don't take it lightly that you took the time to post all this. I'm really leaning towards all the advice given here. Get a couple of nice EF lower reach zooms on the used market and sell the 6D and the 70D. I'm going to end up with a 7D Mk II also but no rush if I do the other things first and I may even change my mind about even needing it once I've done the other stuff.

That's the way I'm leaning right now.




  
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Sep 12, 2015 15:01 |  #10

If I was looking for a crop body to compliment the 5D3, I would get the 7D2. Really a no brainer since they do have similar bodies and features. The advantage of the 5D3 is the FF sensor: the advantage of the 7D2 is the burst mode and FL reach. I'm probably going to get a 100-400L sooner or later to get more reach with my 5D3....the reach would be the main reason I personally would consider the 7D2. I am more a pan and shoot/ find the moment shooter when I shoot action, so I never utilize burst modes (I think I get more luck trying to predict height of action). As for the 70D, I notice some reviews still indicate that it's actually more friendly for shooting video then the 7D2 (especially the tilty screen). So depends....maybe sell the 70D and all EF-S lenses if you are enjoying the 5D3. Once you get used to it and if you find it would be nice to have faster fps or more reach, get the 7D2.


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