VERY Tempted but a little scared....

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17722487
Because it does...

You used what is regarded as the softest FE lens and tried it for like 2 days before saying it was worthless and continuing to bash it on the internet. I'm sorry your buyers remorse is so heavy that you still can't let it go, but any issues you had with the system are your fault for not doing the research before you bought it.

Also, why on earth would you buy the a7 and not the a7R based on what you shoot? They're like $300 apart from each other...

Im sorry but there is no excuse for a t5i with a KIT lens to produce better images than an A7 with an $1100 Zeiss lens period. No buyers remorse at all, loving my 6D I got when I returned the A7! Where are you seeing the A7 and A7r within $300 of each other? Try $800. If it were only $300, I would have bought the A7r.

dexter75 wrote in post #17722560
Im sorry but there is no excuse for a t5i with a KIT lens to produce better images than an A7 with an $1100 Zeiss lens period. No buyers remorse at all, loving my 6D I got when I returned the A7! Where are you seeing the A7 and A7r within $300 of each other? Try $800. If it were only $300, I would have bought the A7r.

I got my a7R for $1200, the a7 was regularly $900 at the time. You also could have saved that $1100 and gotten the 28-70mm instead, for a studio shoot there's really no difference.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17722566
I got my a7R for $1200, the a7 was regularly $900 at the time. You also could have saved that $1100 and gotten the 28-70mm instead, for a studio shoot there's really no difference.

Well thats a steal. Not sure how you got that deal as the A7r is a $1900 camera. I paid $1100 for the A7. I don't like zooms much to be honest (especially only out to 70mm) and there are no quality portrait primes in the FE lineup aside from that Batis 85 f/1.8 which is impossible to get.

Charlie wrote in post #17722394
There is an adapter in the works, and I can't wait. I have the 14-24, and would love the full electronic information.

Not a huge deal because the dumb adapter I have does aperture control.

Wouldn't mind the 85/1.8g either, however with access to a good set of canon AF lenses, there isn't a huge draw for Nikon stuff.

I'm hoping that the Nikon adapter seen on some of the rumor sites doesn't turn out to be fiction. I still have a bit of my old Canon Kit (20D, a lens and some accessories) from before I switched to Nikon so it would be really interesting to have a system that, with adapters, could use lenses from both with decent AF. And by decent I'm not talking about what I need for sports or wildlife shooting, but good AF for street, portraits, landscape and vacation.

dexter75 wrote in post #17722580
Well thats a steal. Not sure how you got that deal as the A7r is a $1900 camera. I paid $1100 for the A7. I don't like zooms much to be honest (especially only out to 70mm) and there are no quality portrait primes in the FE lineup aside from that Batis 85 f/1.8 which is impossible to get.

When I'm unsure of a system, I buy used. It was mint with around 1k actuations, sold it again a month later for the same price.

As for the lenses, I personally don't think that's true, since you can put practically any lens you want on the a7... I use my EF mount Rokinon 85mm. For studio work though I pretty much always prefer a zoom since I'm stopped down to f8 and more anyway.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17722766
When I'm unsure of a system, I buy used. It was mint with around 1k actuations, sold it again a month later for the same price.

As for the lenses, I personally don't think that's true, since you can put practically any lens you want on the a7... I use my EF mount Rokinon 85mm. For studio work though I pretty much always prefer a zoom since I'm stopped down to f8 and more anyway.

Ah ok. Yea, someone on this forum is selling an A7r in awesome condition right now for $975! Ive seen others around a grand. Thats crazy, the camera isn't even 2 years old and you can already get it half price. The A7x cameras don't seem to hold their resale value very well. Sure wish it was the same for Canon. The 5Diii is three and a half years old and solid used bodies are still around $2k, hardly $600 off what they cost new right now with the rebate.

dexter75 wrote in post #17722793
Ah ok. Yea, someone on this forum is selling an A7r in awesome condition right now for $975! Ive seen others around a grand. Thats crazy, the camera isn't even 2 years old and you can already get it half price. The A7x cameras don't seem to hold their resale value very well. Sure wish it was the same for Canon. The 5Diii is three and a half years old and solid used bodies are still around $2k, hardly $600 off what they cost new right now with the rebate.

It's because Canon and Nikon have a huge following, lots of demand. Sony, Pentax, etc don't hold their value for as long, but only really drop to a certain point from what I've seen. I got my a7R last hear around Christmas, even now what I sold it for is a good value. My a7S hasn't gone down in price at all since I bought it (also got it used).

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17722798
It's because Canon and Nikon have a huge following, lots of demand. Sony, Pentax, etc don't hold their value for as long, but only really drop to a certain point from what I've seen. I got my a7R last hear around Christmas, even now what I sold it for is a good value. My a7S hasn't gone down in price at all since I bought it (also got it used).

Canon cameras don't necessarily hold their value either...they just have longer product life cycles. Even if you buy used, if you buy a Canon camera at the beginning of its life cycle, expect to take a bath if you sell it later on. I just sold my 5DIII for half of what I bought it for! You see this happen at an accelerated pace with Sony cameras, since they have shorter life cycles. Its the downside of Sony constantly innovating. They release new bodies at a very fast pace, and the improvements between each iteration have been rather significant.

I suspect that the a7II and the a7s will hold their value better. The a7rII and a7sII sit at such a high price level that they aren't really direct replacements to the older models.

mystik610 wrote in post #17723047
Canon cameras don't necessarily hold their value either...they just have longer product life cycles. Even if you buy used, if you buy a Canon camera at the beginning of its life cycle, expect to take a bath if you sell it later on. I just sold my 5DIII for half of what I bought it for! You see this happen at an accelerated pace with Sony cameras, since they have shorter life cycles. Its the downside of Sony constantly innovating. They release new bodies at a very fast pace, and the improvements between each iteration have been rather significant.

I suspect that the a7II and the a7s will hold their value better. The a7rII and a7sII sit at such a high price level that they aren't really direct replacements to the older models.

That's a solid point. Either way I'm not worried, I don't see myself selling the a7S anytime soon, and I got it for the lowest price I've yet to see it sell for

mystik610 wrote in post #17723047
Canon cameras don't necessarily hold their value either...they just have longer product life cycles. Even if you buy used, if you buy a Canon camera at the beginning of its life cycle, expect to take a bath if you sell it later on. I just sold my 5DIII for half of what I bought it for! You see this happen at an accelerated pace with Sony cameras, since they have shorter life cycles. Its the downside of Sony constantly innovating. They release new bodies at a very fast pace, and the improvements between each iteration have been rather significant.

I suspect that the a7II and the a7s will hold their value better. The a7rII and a7sII sit at such a high price level that they aren't really direct replacements to the older models.

You didn't ask for enough then. The 5Diii was $3500 when it was released. Assuming you bought it right at release and paid that, half of that is $1750 and the least expensive ones on Amazon are going like $2k with ones in excellent condition going $2200 or so. So you sold yours for $1750? Why would you sell yours for $250-$500 under the going price? Seems like a bit of an oversight on your part. Besides, thats a nearly 4 year old camera. Getting half of what you paid for it is still a good value for its age. Price for a brand new 5Diii right now is $2700 and people are still getting $2k for used ones, thats excellent resale value for the seller actually. Used A7r bodies are selling at half price of what they cost right now and its not even 2 years after its release, thats not a good sign.

dexter75 wrote in post #17723113
You didn't ask for enough then. The 5Diii was $3500 when it was released. Assuming you bought it right at release and paid that, half of that is $1750 and the least expensive ones on Amazon are going like $2k with ones in excellent condition going $2200 or so. So you sold yours for $1750? Why would you sell yours for $250-$500 under the going price? Seems like a bit of an oversight on your part. Besides, thats a nearly 4 year old camera. Getting half of what you paid for it is still a good value for its age. Price for a brand new 5Diii right now is $2700 and people are still getting $2k for used ones, thats excellent resale value for the seller actually. Used A7r bodies are selling at half price of what they cost right now and its not even 2 years after its release, thats not a good sign.

Amazon is not a realistic gauge of the fair used price of a camera. No one will buy it at $2k. If you browse the for sale section at FM, the fair price of a good one (low clicks, clean cosmetically) is around $1,800. Mine was an old wedding workhorse so it had a lot of clicks and the paint was wearing off on the sides, so I adjusted accordingly.

a7r body price dropped in the used market because its replacement came out, so again, prices fall quickly because the product life cycles are short. (5Ds is not a replacement to the 5DIII, as many 5DIII can't contend with the 5ds' crippled low light sensitivity) When the 5DIV hits the market, 5DIII prices will drop accordingly.

mystik610 wrote in post #17723239
5Ds is not a replacement to the 5DIII, as many 5DIII can't contend with the 5ds' crippled low light sensitivity

The 5Ds actually improves upon the 5D3 in high ISO performance at similar resolutions. Not sure why you would call it crippled.

raptor3x wrote in post #17728033
The 5Ds actually improves upon the 5D3 in high ISO performance at similar resolutions. Not sure why you would call it crippled.

Hes a staunch Sony fanboy. Just ignore him.

raptor3x wrote in post #17728033
The 5Ds actually improves upon the 5D3 in high ISO performance at similar resolutions. Not sure why you would call it crippled.

It's capped at a native 6400 ISO. There are instances when shooting weddings that I would go past that, so it's a no go for wedding photographers....who made a up a big chunk of the 5DIII users. Most skipped out on the 5DS and are patiently waiting for the 5DIV.

I have an A6000 and a consumer Canon T3i with a few lenses. Things I like about the A6000- fast autofocus, good shooting in dark situations (concerts etc), the EVF and the screen are a good combo for this. Better than the DSLR. So is the low light performance at higher isos. The focus peaking is great, I use my old manual film lenses with the A6000- not so with the Canon as MF is difficult and the FD's won't focus to infinity anyway. This is great fun.

I still have no high end native lenses for the A6000. AF with my Canon EF lenses and adapters is iffy and not for situations where speed is of the essence. Manual focus with EF lenses is good and sometimes I think the IQ from the Canon lenses on the Sony and MF is better than the IQ with the T3i and AF. Of course both can miss focus and I manage to do this regularly with both systems. No high end Canon body to compare it too of course.

It is fun to shoot, especially when traveling, and small with the right lenses. The old film lenses are heavy and bulky for the most part with the adapters on.

Negatives, regardless of which Canon you are comparing it too.

Battery life is awful and drains even when you are not using it. Canon wins here. And my canon G15 wins too!

No super long teles native for Sony. I shoot wildlife and that is a big negative. You can adapt lenses for the Sony DSLR but still I wish there were some nice long zooms for e mount.

I'm keeping both for now and will likely upgrade my T3i for a 7D Mark ii this year.