? For 5DS R Owners, would I have any camera shake problems in a Studio

As a final check before going for it. I am Interested in any owner's experience shooting freehand in a studio.

I am assuming, that I won't have any camera shake problems using this freehand with a 70-200 F2.8L IS USM II in the following studio scenario.
[e.g. 5x Bowens GM500 Pro's, these 500 watt units have a flash duration of 1/2,900 sec; shooting ISO 160, s/s 1/160 F11 to F2.8 - mainly @ F8, with I.S. On - normally set between 70mm and 100mm, but occaisionally at 200mm for a head shot].

My logic is:- the effective ss is therefore 1/2,900 sec. So with IS on, there should be no hand shake blur.

But having read a few posts about how fussy the huge detail can be and the length Canon went to avoid the issue e.g. Reinforced baseplate, dampened mirror mechanism etc. - I just want to double check my logic is totally right, as using a tripod is out of the question!

I am fully expecting, when using this for outside Portraits, without main flash, and maybe even with minimal back-fill flash, that I will have to take care, and maybe even use a tripod for the best natural light images,when exposing for the background, where the fill flash wont reach e.g a Portrait with say a Landscape Background.

Any views welcomed - as I can't afford to keep the 5D3 as well. And its got to work as effectively as my 5D3 can in the studio.

Sounds like no problems to me, you've kinda got all aspects covered...maybe double. Outside the studio, IS plus reasonable shutter speeds should cover you well. Subject movement, as you well know, is another story.

The pixel density isn't unique to the 5DS R. A lot of crop sensors get sharp 1:1 captures in studio.

since you mentioned the 70-200 and not the 100 macro, i'm assuming you are shooting people, at people portrait distances and not dead bug's eyeballs, you will be 100% fine

there are zero issues, assuming you don't have parkinson's tremors, at those SS with that lens and IS enabled

i have had the 5dsr from the day of release and have tested it nearly every SS and with most L lenses - the 70-200 at that SS you will be fine

to make the point, here is a 3:1 LR crop of the moon with the 100-400II @400mm at 1/25th handheld (i've found the 100-400II to have very, very slightly better IS that the 70-200II - maybe 1/2 stop)

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/zmVU​Rd

Crop shooters have figured out how to deal with the pixel density vs shutter speed issues already, so the same guidelines there would make sense with the 5ds. Just shoot a little faster than 1/focal length and you should be fine. Also remember your shutter speed has to stop motion of the subject, and that is more the issue than having IS stop your motion.

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17730937
since you mentioned the 70-200 and not the 100 macro, i'm assuming you are shooting people, at people portrait distances and not dead bug's eyeballs, you will be 100% fine

there are zero issues, assuming you don't have parkinson's tremors, at those SS with that lens and IS enabled

i have had the 5dsr from the day of release and have tested it nearly every SS and with most L lenses - the 70-200 at that SS you will be fine

to make the point, here is a 3:1 LR crop of the moon with the 100-400II @400mm at 1/25th handheld (i've found the 100-400II to have very, very slightly better IS that the 70-200II - maybe 1/2 stop)

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/zmVU​Rd moon-3 by Paul O'Neil, on Flickr

Yep people mainly.
But I do shoot horses, so the stopping motion increased ss compensation is definitely required for that.

As some of the shoots can be quite long 4 hours plus, I admit one gets a little tired towards the end, so I was interested how fussy it got
Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for all the replies, sadly my post regarding anyone bought from Panamoz got shunted by moderators to the Market Watch section, which seems to be a bit of a backwater - no replies
So the "am I safe to buy there issue?" is still somewhat unresolved.

Panamoz review

Looks like you should avoid them....like NYC bait and switch shops, it's not worth it since you'll get grey market items with 3rd party useless warranties and upsale offers. In the US, we've got a good site called Canon Price Watch: it has a "street price" section in which an undisclosed authorized Canon dealer will be able to sell legitimate gear at a discounted price. I'm not easily finding something like that for the UK, but it looks like Canon is offering a £250 rebate for camera and lens from authorized sellers:

UK price list

Submariner wrote in post #17731175
Yep people mainly.
But I do shoot horses, so the stopping motion increased ss compensation is definitely required for that.

As some of the shoots can be quite long 4 hours plus, I admit one gets a little tired towards the end, so I was interested how fussy it got
Thanks for the feedback.

I am confused by your statement, I presume you are saying that you need faster shutter speeds for that, and that Image Stabilization isn't going to help in that regard?

Sometimes I think people set a higher shutter speed and think they don't need IS any more. IS covers vibrations from 0.5Hz to 20,000Hz, so say a 1/1000s shutter speed with IS off only more or less covers 1,000Hz leaving high pixel density pixel smear vulnerability open for other frequencies. Using lenses with the newest 4 stop IS, I find no reason to turn IS off, even on a tripod, and can see advantage nor need to turn it off.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17731344
I am confused by your statement, I presume you are saying that you need faster shutter speeds for that, and that Image Stabilization isn't going to help in that regard?

Sorry I meant that near the end of a shoot I sm getting tired a 5D3 plus a grip plus a 70-200 L 2.8 II is quite heavy - some times if one sees a great look in the eyes - just right, one wants to, swing the camera to the right angle and fire - so not much time to steady the camera to its best rock solid position. I guess in honesty, sometimes I feel I just swing it to position and fire. The 5D3 handles that with crisp AF.

Also I am now being contacted by more professional models to do their portfolios, yes very flattering, but being a bit new to this, say with a new model they take their time to pose. Some of these professional ones are so bloody quick they roll from one pose to the other. They hear the click and they are onto the next position in a nano second. They also expect perfect results and lots of killer shots.

Maybe its me, sort of struggling to select another nearest AF point, and be quick enough. The better they are the faster they seem to be; one minute they will hold their head down and to the side and in an instant they have flung it up and toss their heads back. Course for me , one minute the head is central and low then its high and to the side. So moving the AF point is a race.

I dint want to up the shutter speed particularly, I was just worried when one stops at the right position, it takes a little while to settle to a rock solid position. And was worried this ultra HD resolution might expose a little hand shakeing.

davesrose wrote in post #17731189
Panamoz review

Looks like you should avoid them....like NYC bait and switch shops, it's not worth it since you'll get grey market items with 3rd party useless warranties and upsale offers. In the US, we've got a good site called Canon Price Watch: it has a "street price" section in which an undisclosed authorized Canon dealer will be able to sell legitimate gear at a discounted price. I'm not easily finding something like that for the UK, but it looks like Canon is offering a £250 rebate for camera and lens from authorized sellers:

UK price list

Thanks Dave
I know exactly what you mean. I had heard we have 2 ok ones in the UK . The first is HDEW and they are fine, physicsl shop etc. Lots of happy customers but they are £400 more than Panamoz, I have heard some good things about them , and to date no bad things, but need to check further.
Yeah re the £250 rebate but I dont need any more lenses, and thats still £2,950 as opposed to Panamoz's £2,200.
If only we had US prices here ...... It would be a dream.

John_T wrote in post #17731659
Sometimes I think people set a higher shutter speed and think they don't need IS any more. IS covers vibrations from 0.5Hz to 20,000Hz, so say a 1/1000s shutter speed with IS off only more or less covers 1,000Hz leaving high pixel density pixel smear vulnerability open for other frequencies. Using lenses with the newest 4 stop IS, I find no reason to turn IS off, even on a tripod, and can see advantage nor need to turn it off.

Thanks
Yes my lens manaul says the Lens even has something that means there is no need to ever turn off IS.
And my tripod is not the most expensive. It pretty good but not a monster heavyweight.

Sure thing Peter. I've got an aunt who lives in Vienna. Whenever she's back in the States, she goes to Walmart for bulk items and Best Buy for electronics! Think it's not just the VAT that makes prices in Europe more expensive (and I'm not even going to bring up "petrol" prices). Not sure if you did want to visit the States and order camera gear at the same time I see on Canon Price Watch, the 5DSr has come down to $3249 street price...the current UK retail price is $4855 US dollars! That article I linked on Panamoz does seem like the *infamous* NYC camera shops. They do get a majority of positive reviews on E-bay since they are quite a bit cheaper then authorized re-sellers. They just have a small office space from which to market and sell electronics items that are sitting in different warehouses. There may be a delay, and you're not getting a Canon warranty. But it certainly is cheaper and you may not have any problems with the transaction: that's always the luck of the draw since these shops don't have customer service. It's also not as bad as some of the worst bait and switch shop horror stories I've read: the worst one is probably the seller refusing to send the camera until you buy an expensive battery and/or memory card.

davesrose wrote in post #17732326
Sure thing Peter. I've got an aunt who lives in Vienna. Whenever she's back in the States, she goes to Walmart for bulk items and Best Buy for electronics! Think it's not just the VAT that makes prices in Europe more expensive (and I'm not even going to bring up "petrol" prices). Not sure if you did want to visit the States and order camera gear at the same time I see on Canon Price Watch, the 5DSr has come down to $3249 street price...the current UK retail price is $4855 US dollars! That article I linked on Panamoz does seem like the *infamous* NYC camera shops. They do get a majority of positive reviews on E-bay since they are quite a bit cheaper then authorized re-sellers. They just have a small office space from which to market and sell electronics items that are sitting in different warehouses. There may be a delay, and you're not getting a Canon warranty. But it certainly is cheaper and you may not have any problems with the transaction: that's always the luck of the draw since these shops don't have customer service. It's also not as bad as some of the worst bait and switch shop horror stories I've read: the worst one is probably the seller refusing to send the camera until you buy an expensive battery and/or memory card.

You are so right Dave, funny you should mention your Aunt, the original plan was to come over to new york, go to b&h video pick one up - and top up on quite a few Tommy H. tee shirts , see a few sights, have a few nice steaks and a couple of those disgustingly unhealthy, but truly delicious waffles and cream breakfast and return home still well in pocket.

But the buyer of the house I inherited baled out the day before we were due to exchange contracts, so its start at square one all over agsin. Hence I need to be here, as I am desperate to get that sorted before the pre Xmas downturn.

Hence a bit of risk taking.