Can I just pick up the 5DS R and go for it based on my knowledge of my 5D3?

I ordered my 5DS R at 5.45 pm last night from Panamoz, at 6.45 am this morning I had a tracking no. At 3.00pm UPS are estimating delivery will be tomorrow.

Typically me, I blurted out to the Model I am shooting on Sunday that we might have this awesome resolution, just my luck she is a bit of a photography buff, and begged me to use it. Well with her looks I was putty in her hands and agreed.
Then it dawned on me - I have a shoot on Saturday and up early on Sunday so no real time to try it.
Realistically will it all be the same ( for a studio shoot ) you know save to C1 160 sync speed, 160 ISO and F8 and then set card one to large JPEG and the SDCard to large RAW and just go for it!

Is the AF selection point stuff all the same?

Or should I disapoint her and use the 5D3?

I am not the fastest learner...... :-0

Got to say I am stagggered if it arrives in time ... 24 hours from Hong Kong to the UK and one saves 35%.!!

And exactly what will you be able to do with all that resolution? Just web and small prints, or will you be producing very large prints, or cropping and producing somewhat large prints? Personally, all that resolution matters little if all you plan to do is resize it down. The 5D3 will do just fine in that case. Just my thoughts....

I would only be using the 5Ds series if I wanted to be able to crop and still end up with a file that was akin to the 7D or 7D2 final result, or if I were doing landscapes and printing large so that all the distant items had all the detail.

With modeling shots, actually having crystal clear detailed resolution isn't really a boon, because many times you are going to soften complexions, or do a glamour filter, etc.

Was there something you expected to get with the camera you aren't getting with the 5D3, or is this just a case of GAS?

The controls are identical, some slight changes in menu, AF is the same.

You will want to do a crash custom settings application, ( unless you left your 5D3 box stock,. )

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17737139
And exactly what will you be able to do with all that resolution? Just web and small prints, or will you be producing very large prints, or cropping and producing somewhat large prints? Personally, all that resolution matters little if all you plan to do is resize it down. The 5D3 will do just fine in that case. Just my thoughts....

I would only be using the 5Ds series if I wanted to be able to crop and still end up with a file that was akin to the 7D or 7D2 final result, or if I were doing landscapes and printing large so that all the distant items had all the detail.

With modeling shots, actually having crystal clear detailed resolution isn't really a boon, because many times you are going to soften complexions, or do a glamour filter, etc.

Was there something you expected to get with the camera you aren't getting with the 5D3, or is this just a case of GAS?

He was probably thinking the same thing I am. I also shoot models and Id LOVE to get my hands on a 5Ds! They are pretty much made for studio work (and landscapes). Ask most fashion photographers why they shoot medium format digital when a 5Diii (or even a 7Dii for that matter) would be more than enough to get 8x11 and even 11x14 prints at 300dpi, its the resolution they want! I own a 6D and once I get a 5Ds, it will get very little use. OP, I'll be eagerly awaiting some sample pics as most of the samples in the 5Ds thread here are birds and random objects. Thanks

TeamSpeed wrote in post #17737139
And exactly what will you be able to do with all that resolution? Just web and small prints, or will you be producing very large prints, or cropping and producing somewhat large prints? Personally, all that resolution matters little if all you plan to do is resize it down. The 5D3 will do just fine in that case. Just my thoughts....

I would only be using the 5Ds series if I wanted to be able to crop and still end up with a file that was akin to the 7D or 7D2 final result, or if I were doing landscapes and printing large so that all the distant items had all the detail.

With modeling shots, actually having crystal clear detailed resolution isn't really a boon, because many times you are going to soften complexions, or do a glamour filter, etc.

Was there something you expected to get with the camera you aren't getting with the 5D3, or is this just a case of GAS?

Definitely not GAS - I actually dread the checking out process of new and expensive ( for me ) stuff.

You may be right and I may be sorely dissapointed. But to my eyes, different sensors seem to produce better images - some have a sort of rich pop that I Cant explain technically. For example the files produced by the 1Dx seem to have a richness that my old 7D didnt have. I cant explain it because there are enough pixels from either to display perfectly adequately on my screen.
The 5D3 closes the gap to a point where there would be no way I could justiify buying a 1DX ( good job as the buyer of the house I inherited baled out the day before we were due to exchange contracts - so now I am running 2 houses - so definitely no budget for pretty stuff atm).
My friends Nikon D810 has that wow factor in the images, better imo than the 5D3.

As for useage, I want to get back to more Landscape Portraits, so its as much about the landscape as the model subject.
I am hoping this will give the detail on the model and also the real detail of the background landscape. i hope to sell some more 60" x 45" silk screen prints. And I hope one can see a difference in those.
One of my private collector clients has commissioned 2 sets of a model, he now wants one of her nude - she was not keen, but the latest idea swung her. Its a series of shots of her in multiple little sand dunes (showing all the wind driven patterns in the sand) Initially she will be a tiny figure within the landscape, and the series progressively zooms in, until she fills the frame. A sort of magnification strip tease. So Thats all about the landscape, done at sunrise and sun set. The client is paying our expenses to go to Fuerteventura. Yeh he really has a thing for her lol!

I also hope as about 70% of my clients say they have 4"K screens this image richness will show. Thats a big gamble because I have to sell the 5D3 to buy my 4K workstation. So I wont know until its too late.

And bluntly the other factor is financial, I am hoping that by taking a sort of sideways upgrade, I can be selling the 5D3 whilst it is still a current model i.e. Rather than once the 5D4 arrives I assume the 5D3 prices will take a bigger dip!
The rumours on the 5D4 really dont excite me at all. If the 5DS R had not come along I would definitely have skipped the 5D4 upgrade, nothing there for me to justify the cost of upgrade.( unless it had the Sony sensor of say the Nikon D810 ).

The other benefit is I am hoping that say one has a full length portrait and it happens to have a "killer" look on the models face - that I will be able to crop in and turn it into a stunning headshot, without losingany percievable quality ( obviously at the sizes I use )

And the other reason is doing quIte a few "Horse portraits" for the financially well off, some of them have stunning houses, so I am hoping I can incorporate the detail of the lovely country house background, more in some shots.

But there is a nagging doubt in my mind, that you may well be right, and this will end up a fruitless excercise. Hence my reason for going Grey, at UK prices it would be a no go!

I guess time will tell. And in the worse case, my 5D3 currently has about 40,000 clicks, so if I kept it another 2 years it may have 80,000. - so by moving it on now, when its absolutrly perfect I avoid future potential repair expenses. ( not that 80,000 is particularly high for a 5D3 ).

I am shaking with laughter, I just looked at your past equipment list!! If I had bought that lot - seriously my wife would have killed me by now
Anyway how do you find your 5DSR compares with your 5D3? Image quality wise?

I actually didn't spend a penny on the past equipment list because I bought low and sold high...

It is only my current equipment list that I have spent money on, and would lose a little, like the 5d3 and sigma 50-500. As to full length modeling shots, what lens are using? I would think the 24-70 f4 is would be in your arsenal vs another ff body.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17737172
The controls are identical, some slight changes in menu, AF is the same.

You will want to do a crash custom settings application, ( unless you left your 5D3 box stock,. )

Thanks, thats reassuring, as when I went to download the manual for the 5DS R ( to doma bit of preownership learning) it asked for a serial number, which I wont get till the unit arrives.

No my custom settings are pretty stock. I have the following basic settings saved to c1, c2 and c3 - studio using Bowens flashes, Outside Portraits using fill flash and 4x 600 Ex RTs, and outside natural light resepctively.

Basically I would modify these on the fly at the location, and then change them back Before the next shoot.

My 5DsR images are better and with more pop than my 5Dmk3. I have barely used my 5DsR except for test shots as I just got it BUT for me I would use a higher shutter speed than normal and as low ISO as possible. ISO 400 and lower and 2-4x the shutter speed to focal length. The cropping ability is mind blowing compared to the 5Dmk3. I took a regular snapshot of my wife and you could zoom in and count her nose hairs. She was NOT impressed with that...LOL

dexter75 wrote in post #17737297
He was probably thinking the same thing I am. I also shoot models and Id LOVE to get my hands on a 5Ds! They are pretty much made for studio work (and landscapes). Ask most fashion photographers why they shoot medium format digital when a 5Diii (or even a 7Dii for that matter) would be more than enough to get 8x11 and even 11x14 prints at 300dpi, its the resolution they want! I own a 6D and once I get a 5Ds, it will get very little use. OP, I'll be eagerly awaiting some sample pics as most of the samples in the 5Ds thread here are birds and random objects. Thanks

Pretty much so, as explained in my reply to Teamspeed.
I still cant understand or explain why the high resolution gives this POP eg, the Nikon 810 files and the Sony A7R II

I will try and upload some but I have had awful trouble trying to upload pics before. I will make a big effort.
Just out of interest is one allowed to upload Lingerie shots to this forum - as its a family style forum.

But if I fail or am not allowed to upload those here, no problem if you pm me I will email you a few, but I am limited as I use BT and outlook and we have a 20 MB limit - so maybe the most I can send you is a JPEG.

I'm sure you'll be OK for the weekend. A little bit of hands on and your experience will go a long way to getting good acceptable results. Use both cameras 1. to ensure you get some shots the you will be happy with and 2. to be able to compare one with the other. Have a great time and enjoy your new acquisition.

gqllc007 wrote in post #17737411
My 5DsR images are better and with more pop than my 5Dmk3. I have barely used my 5DsR except for test shots as I just got it BUT for me I would use a higher shutter speed than normal and as low ISO as possible. ISO 400 and lower and 2-4x the shutter speed to focal length. The cropping ability is mind blowing compared to the 5Dmk3. I took a regular snapshot of my wife and you could zoom in and count her nose hairs. She was NOT impressed with that...LOL

Thanks thats good to hear. Hopefully you got what I meant by "POP" a sort of ooomph factor, with that glassy smooth perfect detail.

Low ISO is a given mainly under 1/200.
When you say use 2x to 4x the FL shutter speed, if that for lenses with IS as well?

Hmmm the detail ...... Been thinking about the skin quality of some of the younger (18-24) models, not a lot have flawless skin at that age ( the odd spots on their faces ) . I am hoping Portraiture will handle those well. :-0

That would be classic, spend all this money on the camera ; only then to have to soften the image so much, to keep them happy lol!

I have had much better luck with newer IS like the 100-400mk2. I still prefer a higher SS than normal. I did post some handheld pics with lower SS and IS that were fine. Detail is amazing
https://photography-on-the.net …ead.php?t=14323​10&page=18

Submariner wrote in post #17737079
Realistically will it all be the same ( for a studio shoot ) you know save to C1 160 sync speed, 160 ISO and F8 and then set card one to large JPEG and the SDCard to large RAW and just go for it!

I would point out that at this resolution Diffraction starts at arounf F/8, so you might wat to consider to use a lower f/number, like 6.3 or similar. (And then you can go to ISO100 too)

Submariner wrote in post #17737413
Pretty much so, as explained in my reply to Teamspeed.
I still cant understand or explain why the high resolution gives this POP eg, the Nikon 810 files and the Sony A7R II

I will try and upload some but I have had awful trouble trying to upload pics before. I will make a big effort.
Just out of interest is one allowed to upload Lingerie shots to this forum - as its a family style forum.

But if I fail or am not allowed to upload those here, no problem if you pm me I will email you a few, but I am limited as I use BT and outlook and we have a 20 MB limit - so maybe the most I can send you is a JPEG.

We have a forum for that type of image... fyi

NemethR wrote in post #17737467
I would point out that at this resolution Diffraction starts at arounf F/8, so you might wat to consider to use a lower f/number, like 6.3 or similar. (And then you can go to ISO100 too)

Hi Roland
Thanks, but I may find I am limited to 1/160 by the Bowens Flashes. On the 5D3 the sync speed wont work at 1/100 sadly. Be nice if Canon cured this in the 5DS R.
In the 5D3 its spelt out in the manual.

But very useful to know will try it on Sunday assuming it comes.