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Oct 13, 2015 10:27 |  #1

I'm just beginning the transition from Canon to Sony, have had the a6000/16-50 combo for about a week after much deal hunting and stalking the Sony threads. After using it as a backup taking family pics for my wife's side of the family, I'm pretty impressed but need better glass. Prices have dropped so low on the A7r that I could almost sell my 6D and buy a used A7r straight up, if and when I choose to do so.

I shoot some of everything. Not enough sports to need a 7D series camera, but too much to only have an A7 series camera with adapting my glass. It is tempting to wait until the A7rii drops more in price, as some outlets are already selling it for about $2700 on eBay (eBay bucks will take another $100 off) for grey market models. Ideally, the A6000 will be used as my supplementary sports shooter mainly used in March for Spring Training baseball. Wait, will I be able to get into the gate with the 70-200G? I've been spoiled with my 135L/200 2.8L combo on that level.

It seems like swapping my 50A for the 55 1.8 will be a given when that transition happens. I shoot a lot wide-open with my lenses. Months back, I was just going to buy both Batis lenses and kinda be done with it until Sony released some kind of 200 2.8 glass. But for the money, the 55 1.8 seems really tough to beat.

The A6000 was bought as an upgrade to borrowing my wife's RX-100 and to use instead of lugging my 6D/50A with me when I have the kids out and about. On a lot of levels, it makes sense to buy a 16-70 for it. Whuband posted some remarkable results shooing concerts with it months back in the A6000 thread, and wow. But it is a bit of a rub that it can't be shared with the A7 series, as middling as the 24-70 seems for a $1k+ lens. So maybe I'm down to deciding between the 16-35 and the 16-70? Maybe I need to revisit snagging both Batis lenses, and forget how much I dig the size, price and performance of the 55 1.8? Or do I need to forget about AF for WA shots altogether, and just snag an adapter to shoot with some nice vintage glass? I know zebra makes it easier, or so you guys say, but toddlers will be the subject like 2/3 of the time.

I go back and forth on this. I have a feeling that if I were to buy the 16-70 it would be on my a6000 like 80% of the time. It would be replacing my 17-40L, my de facto event lens, and used much more. No, I won't really miss 17-23mm. Ideally, it would be nice to use my event lens on my best high ISO camera but I could probably make it work in most cases with the a6000. I don't shoot weddings for $$$, just the occasional banquet, luncheon or fundraiser. I hate to spend $1400ish on the Zeiss 35, as I would likely have to pair it with the 85 Batis instead of the 55 1.8--leading to more money.

A few possible scenarios:

--Zeiss 16-70 + 55 1.8 (cheapest solution)
--Zeiss 16-70 + Batis 85 (most range solution)
--Batis 25 + 55 1.8 (compromise share solution)
--Batis 25 + Batis 85 (original idea, but too expensive for what they are?)
--Zeiss 16-35 + Batis 85 (most versatile solution, expensive)
--Zeiss 35 + Batis 85 + vintage WA/adapter (most expensive solution, but highest IQ?)

What I shoot:

--My family, sometimes travelling sometimes not
--Events, most of the time paid
--Portrait, paid unless it is my kids.
--Sports, paid for HS and lower. Spring Training enthusiast!
--Very occasional landscape and street

I'm looking forward to opinions!


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Oct 13, 2015 16:07 |  #2

I am in a very similar situation. Moved over from a 60d and a 17-200mm of 2.8 Canon glass. I shoot lots of stuff but my passion lies in mountaineering and skiing. So for me the weight advantages were astronomical and I love the a6000. It does a lot of things really well.

I picked up the 35mm 1.8. I highly recommend it. Really nice focal length on the crop and a sharp lens. I also came across a deal for like 150 bucks for a refurb 55-210 and I can honestly say its a great lens for that little money. Sure its nothing compared to my old canon 70-200 but it weighs a fraction. The difference between it being in my pack 5 miles from the car in January or not.

But I still struggle with the a wide zoom. The kit lens is ok but I hesitate to pick up the 16-70 because just like you, I am contemplating a a7 of some kind. But I also can't really afford to shoot with an adapter because I need the great autofocus of the a6000. Its a tough spot. Wish they had either made the 16-70 without the downfalls everyone speaks of, or made it half the price. Would make the decision easier. Its going for cheaper now but I still can't pull the trigger on it.

Not to hijack your thread. Just in the same boat as you


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Oct 13, 2015 19:44 |  #3

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I am in a very similar situation. Moved over from a 60d and a 17-200mm of 2.8 Canon glass. I shoot lots of stuff but my passion lies in mountaineering and skiing. So for me the weight advantages were astronomical and I love the a6000. It does a lot of things really well.

I picked up the 35mm 1.8. I highly recommend it. Really nice focal length on the crop and a sharp lens. I also came across a deal for like 150 bucks for a refurb 55-210 and I can honestly say its a great lens for that little money. Sure its nothing compared to my old canon 70-200 but it weighs a fraction. The difference between it being in my pack 5 miles from the car in January or not.

But I still struggle with the a wide zoom. The kit lens is ok but I hesitate to pick up the 16-70 because just like you, I am contemplating a a7 of some kind. But I also can't really afford to shoot with an adapter because I need the great autofocus of the a6000. Its a tough spot. Wish they had either made the 16-70 without the downfalls everyone speaks of, or made it half the price. Would make the decision easier. Its going for cheaper now but I still can't pull the trigger on it.

Not to hijack your thread. Just in the same boat as you

Thank you for the input!

I'm not really ruling anything completely out or in right now, so it is great to hear the account from someone else who switched over recently and is eyeing glass to also put on an A7 body. The 55-210 may end up being an option this spring for Spring Training if there's not long-ish 2.8 lens on the market for Sony Alpha bodies. I've heard really good things about both the 35 and 50 1.8, maybe I'm picking the wrong focal range to spend more money on?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense to just pick up s 16-70 and hope for a good copy. The fast glass would likely stay mostly on the A7 body, anyways, if I do decide to complete the exodus to Sony.


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Oct 18, 2015 14:23 |  #4

It seems that the 16-70, when installed on the A7R, can indeed work as a 24-105 equivalent . . . the camera just auto-switches to crop mode, and instead of 36MP you are downsized to 15MP. Not terrible, but not necessarily what most people who buy the A7R have in mind when they buy the camera. What is interesting, or so I read on FM (as I did with the other info), is that the A7R lets the OSS function.

Has anyone had experiences with pairing the 16-70 with the A7R or A7Rii? Any thoughts on making due with that combo instead of just ponying up the extra money for the 16-35 or 24-70?


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Dec 05, 2015 22:07 |  #5

Do any of the e-mount aps-c lenses work without switching to crop mode on the a7 cameras? or are they all like that where you have to switch?




  
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Dec 06, 2015 04:30 |  #6

itsray wrote in post #17808800 (external link)
Do any of the e-mount aps-c lenses work without switching to crop mode on the a7 cameras? or are they all like that where you have to switch?

You can turn crop mode off but since the crop lens doesn't cover the full frame image circle you will have black on the perimeter of the image and will have to crop in post


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