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Oct 18, 2015 10:34 |  #1

BIT DEPTH & MEASURING DYNAMIC RANGE

Even if one's digital camera could capture a vast dynamic range, the precision at which light measurements are translated into digital values may limit usable dynamic range. The workhorse which translates these continuous measurements into discrete numerical values is called the analog to digital (A/D) converter. The accuracy of an A/D converter can be described in terms of bits of precision, similar to bit depth in digital images, although care should be taken that these concepts are not used interchangeably. The A/D converter is what creates values for the digital camera's RAW file format.
Bit Precision
of Analog/Digital Converter Contrast Ratio Dynamic Range
f-stops Density
8 256:1 8 2.4
10 1024:1 10 3.0
12 4096:1 12 3.6
14 16384:1 14 4.2
16 65536:1 16 4.8

Note: Above values are for A/D converter precision only, and should not be used to interpret results for 8 and 16-bit image files. Furthermore, values shown are a theoretical maximum, assuming noise is not limiting, and this applies only to linear A/D converters.

As an example, 10-bits of tonal precision translates into a possible brightness range of 0-1023 (since 210 = 1024 levels). Assuming that each A/D converter number is proportional to actual image brightness (meaning twice the pixel value represents twice the brightness), 10-bits of precision can only encode a contrast ratio of 1024:1.

Most digital cameras use a 10 to 14-bit A/D converter, and so their theoretical maximum dynamic range is 10-14 stops. However, this high bit depth only helps minimize image posterization since total dynamic range is usually limited by noise levels. Similar to how a high bit depth image does not necessarily mean that image contains more colors, if a digital camera has a high precision A/D converter it does not necessarily mean it can record a greater dynamic range. In effect, dynamic range can be thought of as the height of a staircase whereas bit depth can be thought of as the number of steps. In practice, the dynamic range of a digital camera does not even approach the A/D converter's theoretical maximum; 8-12 stops is generally all one can expect from the camera.


This is what's had me confused on this forum. All definitions I see of ADCs say they have a fixed "theoritical" tonal DR value. But I keep being told that's not the case. Because the Sony sensor's DR is greater than the ADC's theoritical DR, it does not exhibit noise in shadow recovery....to get back to my definition:

The Sony's sensor DR is able to fill full theoretical 14bit space at base ISO....16384:1. The Canon's sensor DR isn't able to fill that.

Just an idea for the lay crowd.... And why this board is still stuck on SNR flames :p


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Oct 18, 2015 11:27 |  #2

You won't have any issues now ;)


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Oct 18, 2015 11:28 |  #3

Suckers (you know who) !


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Oct 18, 2015 16:05 |  #4

Tonal DR is seperate but relational to sensor DR. You can't have one without the other in a digital system....photo merging is necessary to extend tonal range (visa vee merging exposures to extend tonal DR past *potential* single exposure tonal DR). The way I see it, the measured 12 stop Canon sensor DR means there's a "potential" tonal DR of 12 stops (so the Canon "noise floor" is introduced in a 14bpc system, and not with the Sony that extends past 14bpc).


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Oct 18, 2015 16:06 |  #5

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Oct 18, 2015 16:06 |  #6

Key comment, the reason the full DR cannot be realized is due to the random electronic noise that always occurs regardless of ISO or exposure.

However, this high bit depth only helps minimize image posterization since total dynamic range is usually limited by noise levels.


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Oct 18, 2015 16:09 |  #7

Bits per channel color information is seperate from sensor DR.

Why hasn't a real computer person caught the "establishment" around here yet??


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Oct 18, 2015 16:10 |  #8

I guess one thread just wasn't enough to measure all the excitement.




  
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Oct 18, 2015 16:12 |  #9

Sorry for everyone else....but I think POTN is going to be happy! Don't know why this wasn't done sooner here.....


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Oct 18, 2015 17:03 |  #10

Mods, feel free to step in to eliminate SNR from this board.


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Oct 18, 2015 17:23 |  #11

Or we can keep bumping geniune processed bits from sperate, SNR ;-)a


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Oct 18, 2015 17:34 |  #12

Might be time to refill that prescription... :D


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Notice just a personal attack?


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Oct 18, 2015 18:20 |  #14

Sorry for dragging everyone else again...just wanted to be sure I got labelled troll.


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Oct 18, 2015 19:49 |  #15

I'll now leave the seperate and pointless SNR flame.


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